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re; Reducing Recoil while handloading
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

DallanC wrote:
A problem with severely reduced loads is they can suddenly become more dangerous than +MAX loads. I've yet to hear a satisfying reason why that is, but the leading theory is you reach a point where the powder lays too low in the case and the primer ignition pushes the bullet up until it lodges on the lands and THEN the powder ignites and the lodged bullet then acts as a barrel obstruction.

Its best to stick with mfg's suggest min loads and if thats still too much go with a lighter bullets as recommended above.


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Dallan, I remember an article in an American Handgunner magazine about 20yrs or so ago that was headlined "The 2.8 grain Bullseye Surprise".

The gist of the article was that the powder in a light load would lay along the bottom of the cartridge case and when ignited by the primer flash would do one of a couple of things. The primer flash would shoot over the top of the powder and MAY ignite it in a line and it could act like a cutting charge and do nasty things to the chamber, or, it MAY ignite all of the powder in one go thereby creating an explosion rather than a controlled burn, again doing nasty things to the chamber and firearm, or, it may ignite and burn exactly as intended and have no problems.

Myself, I used to use 2.8 grains of Bullseye in a 357 Mag case with a 124 gn 9mm Conical bullet for a long time with great success. Never had a problem.

Having said that I agree wholeheartedly with your comment of:

Its best to stick with mfg's suggest min loads and if thats still too much go with a lighter bullets as recommended above.

You won't have any problems then.

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Its very unsafe to go less than minimum! If that still kicks to much for you, go back to a rimfire 22!

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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Yeah, What Dallan said!
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

If you figure that powder companies are afraid that you might go over their listed weight for liability reasons it stands to reason that they may be just afraid that you might go under their listed weight. Concidering that they have all the test equipment and having heard all of the horror stories of going over or under listed charge weights that the powder companies may be on to something. Personally my eyes, hands, face and fingers just aren't worth taking the chance. Besides my guns are too expensive to replace and I would like to hand them down to my children in working order. I'm with you Mr. Dallan.

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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Yep, I agree with DallanC as well. I still maintain that if you can't handle the recoil of a certain caliber.......... get a smaller caliber that doesn't kick as much. What I mean is if you want or can't handle more then the recoil of a 308 don't buy a 338 mag and try slowing it down. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Yes, but you can't shoot a 500 grain bullet through a 308. If I want to shoot a real heavy bullet the only way to do that is with a large caliber and they don't make small case large caliber rounds. The cure? Get a big gun and slow it down. There are lots of people who think you can speed up a small caliber beyond its limits instead of buying a magnum or larger caliber so why not a big caliber slowed down so it can be fired by a recoil sensitve individual (I was going to say "wimp") like me?

The above post is only partly tongue in cheek - the rest is almost semi-serious. No smiley's but trust me - I am much too conservative to go very far from the way things are made to work. I only have shotguns that have more recoil than my 358 Winchester - and I don't shoot heavy bullets in it! (180 grain is as heavy as I want to tollerate as far as recoil goes.)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

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This past weekend I went out and shot my new 300WBYMAG, with Remington 180 grn corelokt at 200 yrds and was holding 1 inch sized groups with 3 shots Cool . But after those three shots I would have to put THUNDER away Sad , cause I would start to flinch. Iam starting to reload, So what my ? is. Is it the powder charge that can lessn the recoil or is it the grn of the bullet? Or a combination of both? What do you guys suggest or or should I just use the lowest charge in my reloading manual??? Ohhh Yeah , I found a couple of sheds this past weekend here in WY nothing to big just a littil forkie and a average 4 point !!!!!!!! but they were still sheds
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

YA KNOW VINCE BACK IN THE DAY (70'S)WE CURED THE PROBLEM OF TOP FLASH FOR CARTRIDGES THAT THE POWDER LOADED WOULD LAY DOWN AND NOT BURN PROPERLY. IT'S CALLED PILLOW STUFFING, WE WOULD PUT JUST ENOUGN STUFFING ON TOP OF THE POWDER TO HOLD IT BACK AGAINST THE PRIMER. BANG, PROBLEM SOLVED.
P.S. STUFFING JST BURNT UP ON THE WAY OUT.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:53 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

In the Lyman #48 reloader manual there are several cast bullet loads for the 300WM using the Lyman gas checked #311291 cast bullet sized to .309 which is commercially available precast for you and RX7 powder along with a standard primer no a magnum, you can start as low as 1650 fps and go up to as high as 2200fps Muzzle velocity and use about 1/2 the powder charge.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

osogrande wrote:
YA KNOW VINCE BACK IN THE DAY (70'S)WE CURED THE PROBLEM OF TOP FLASH FOR CARTRIDGES THAT THE POWDER LOADED WOULD LAY DOWN AND NOT BURN PROPERLY. IT'S CALLED PILLOW STUFFING, WE WOULD PUT JUST ENOUGN STUFFING ON TOP OF THE POWDER TO HOLD IT BACK AGAINST THE PRIMER. BANG, PROBLEM SOLVED.
P.S. STUFFING JST BURNT UP ON THE WAY OUT.
I use some stuff called puflon. I't looks an feels like graphite. you stuff it on top of the powder charge, lightly compressed. I use it for my wifes 30-30 w/150 gr flatnose sierra bullets. No flash over either. However I agree with DallanC also. Just my .035 worth. Dave

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

I've got 2 words for this subject. LEAD SLED Got one of these rifle rest last fall befor season and it was the best $100.00 bucks I've spent in a long time. IT WORKS!!!!!! Its put out by a company named Caldwell. They offer 2 different models. The basic one and one with more adjustability. We placed two 25 pound bags of shot in the sled of ours and began to shoot away. And I'll say it again. IT WORKS. Razz Very Happy Razz If you like to fiddle with things I'm betting you could make up something that will work also. I once saw a rear bag rest that had 2 sandbags attached to it with ripcord. The sandbags sat on the ground in front of the bench. The cords ran up on top the bench, down each side of the rifle, and hooked onto the rear bag. The bag itself had a piece of leather sewn onto the ears too craddle the gun. The recoil would pull against the sandbags and lesson what goes to the shoulder.
As far as reduced loads go, I have a reloading manual thats been misplaced that has reduced loads in it. I think it was IMR, but not 100% sure of that. I was amazed at how low thoose loads went. I will continue to look for it. If i find it I'll gladly share that info with you.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

For reduced load data on IMR, Hodgon, AA go to Hodgon site. Very Happy

I heard there was a post over on 24 hours campfire about the Lead Sled causing some high dollar scopes to fail because of the shock it put on gun during recoil!!!!!! Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Went to the 24 hour campsite fourm and didn't find any scope trouble that you speek of. However I would like to read about it if you could dirrect me to the proper page. Did find alot of concern using this rest in regaurds to stock issues. Both stock and scope issues were a concern of mine before the purchase I made. What you must keep in mind about this style of rest is not to try and eliminate all of the recoil. Doing so will without a dout create trouble. After doing some research and talking to people who own one I do not feel that these issues are of concern as long as you don't over weight the sled or attempt to strap things down solid.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

chambered221,
I never saw the article and was just told about during a discussion on lead sled. I will see if I can find it. But it is proably like a lot of chat and discussions on the net. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

bubbahunts06 wrote:
This past weekend I went out and shot my new 300WBYMAG, with Remington 180 grn corelokt at 200 yrds and was holding 1 inch sized groups with 3 shots Cool . But after those three shots I would have to put THUNDER away Sad , cause I would start to flinch. Iam starting to reload, So what my ? is. Is it the powder charge that can lessn the recoil or is it the grn of the bullet? Or a combination of both? What do you guys suggest or or should I just use the lowest charge in my reloading manual??? Ohhh Yeah , I found a couple of sheds this past weekend here in WY nothing to big just a littil forkie and a average 4 point !!!!!!!! but they were still sheds


This stuff does amazing things for reduced recoil loads....

Tried it in my 300 RUM for gits and shiggles and felt recoil with 180 grain bullets was in the neigborhood of .243 winish......

It's designed to give a fuller load density in larger cases yet yeild a lesser felt recoil.

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