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Aloysius Super Member
Joined: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 2440 Location: B., Belgium
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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Dallan, I agree and not only for elk. Here in my neighbourhood we have problems with wild boars at the moment, so they are chasing them to kill. They are not hunting, but shooting at any size. They are also killing leading sows. At first sight this seems right, because when you kill the sow, it 's possible that her young onces stay at the place and you can kill a few more. BUT: that leading sow did keep them all together and prevented that the boars would also "take" the young sows. Killing the leading sow often means a split up + the very young sows will also get pregnant. Instead of decreasing the numbers, you're increasing them + you chase them around to places they have never been before...
And don't forget: when doing so, you're educating (young?) hunters to shoot and kill instead of hunting and managing the game.
Even in G-B they make the difference between shooting (pheasants) and hunting...
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English Mike Super Member
Joined: Jan 08, 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Whitehaven, Cumbria, UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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Aloysius wrote: |
Even in G-B they make the difference between shooting (pheasants) and hunting... |
Yep - I don't do pheasant "shoots".
I do however hunt them in a forested estate over the border in Scotland - no beaters, just me & mate scanning & searching (it's actually where I'm going for a day's deer stalking Monday after next).
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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DallanC wrote: |
Second, never shoot the lead cow... never. |
Ok, Dallan. You out hunting? Rational? I want to learn.
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Elvis Super Member
Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9253 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:57 pm Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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slimjim.....find a copy of Wilbur Smiths book elephant song....what he said happened to the herds is pretty much word for word what Aloys just wrote.
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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This time of year, when elk herds meet, they stay together making them more concentrated. If this does split them up, then that would be good as fewer herds make it harder to find an elk to shoot.
The lead cow is the one that has learned most how to avoid hunters. Shoot one in her herd and she learns some more. Shoot the lead cow and one less smart takes over.
www.fieldandstream.com/cow-elk
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DallanC Site Admin
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:05 pm Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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Lead cows not only keep the herd patterned and predictable, they are usually the oldest, and worst eating of all the elk in the string. Never seen a lead cow that had much for teeth and were tough and nasty to eat.
-DallanC
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 1:35 am Post subject: Re: Good Fortune on a NM Cow Elk Hunt |
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Thanks, Dallan. This is the first lead cow I have shot. I'll let you know how this one tastes.
Another lesson learned in this situation - what for the others to follow the lead cow.
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