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He don't know me very well
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

Omni, the 444 brass is expensive, and I have about 400 rounds of 303 from my dad. So I thought I would use what I have . Ive read they work for the 410. Fire form them , then load and crimp with a 45 die. Or so I have read.
This is my first and only 410 so far, the little Rossi Tuffy , Snake Charmer look a like I picked up at a pawn shop a short time ago for $75. Then I saw how expensive 410s are and started looking for an a way to load my own. But what few manufactures of the reloaders for 410 are very proud of them these days, and I cant justify the price for what little I will be shooting it. Its going to be a ATV /UTV ride along side arm.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

So anneal your 303 and fireform with 3 grains of reddot topped with a wad of tissue paper (kleenex).

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

gelandangan wrote:
So anneal your 303 and fireform with 3 grains of reddot topped with a wad of tissue paper (kleenex).


3 grains, good, I had read 15 grains of 2400, but thought that was a lot.

I also read to put dried oatmeal mix in it to keep the barrel from being damage... have you heard of this?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

Hum, I heard of plenty other additives, from flour, felt pads, cotton balls, etc etc etc.
IMHO, the idea is to keep the powder inside the case closest to the primer end, and to give a slight pressure on the open end so it will burn consistently.

I use tissue paper

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

Okay...so I'm new here and haven't posted before, but I logged in to respond to this thread. Some of you already know me. I'm Kahrheart, owner of a firearms forum and two training facilities. I don't have a problem putting my name to this post either. It's Lisanne Dickenson.
I have known George for years and can attest to his gunsmithing quality and his character. I don't know why this thread got started and he was named, but I can tell you that he is undeserving of being treated in such a way.
George has worked on my own guns (and I'm very picky!) and has always done a very nice job for a very fair price. I would recommend him highly.
Bashing someone's livelihood on a public forum for no good reason is really uncalled-for.

Edit: I read back and saw the original post that started this. If you knew George, you would know that he wasn't meaning to be rude. He does get a lot of calls from people looking for "inexpensive" work. As a professional. I know how frustrating it is when someone inquires about your work and wants it "inexpensively". Nine times out of 10, that will be the person who complains afterwards that you didn't do quality work, too.
I understand that his email might have seemed short and dismissive, but I feel confident in saying that if you actually met him face to face, you'd like him and would appreciate his quality craftsmanship.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

I guess the usual rules of commerce applies.

"if you made one customer happy, s/he may tell a couple of their friends,
if you made one customer unhappy, s/he WILL tell the world"

Lisanne, I do not know you or your mate, but by bringing you this topic (that has gone dormant for over a year),
you have just revived the memory of a bad service by an allegedly chauvinistic person.
I am sure your gunsmith friend will thank you for the free advertising.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

Actually, I searched it out and posted because the entire conversation was cut & pasted onto my own forum this morning by someone involved in the conversation. It was deleted as I don't appreciate having conversations cross-posted, but I did want to post my two cents (for what it's worth) regarding George and his gunsmithing work here.
As a woman, I have never seen anything remotely chauvinistic when dealing with George. He has always been professional and has done nice work.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

I just realized that I have been really impolite..
I should have welcomed you to our forum first Smile
Anyhow, welcome, and I'll shout you a beer from Vince's esky.
Please sit near the fire and lets talk.

Now that the formality has been observed, lets discuss this further.
IMHO business correspondences must be handled in a polite and non condescending way.
Specially to a new potential customer, you would normally only get one single chance.
If a business operator willing to insult a client, then they must be prepared to receive bad review, regardless of how nice the person is.

Would it be a sin to use the word "inexpensive?" is that word really insinuated as an insult? I dont know.
Would it merit for the door slammed in the nose of the potential client? (he did ask the OP to take her business somewhere else) I dont think so.
I think the reply from the gunsmith could be better phrased to not be so patronizing.

I guess you have been mistaken when I use the word "chauvinist" as a gender related issue, I am actually using the word to point out an "elitism" issue.
He might be John Browning or Sam Colt in second coming, but if I get a reply similar to the OP, as a man, I would still call him a chauvinist and I will also tell the world of the fact.

Anyhow, the gunsmith did spilled the milk, you cannot order it back to the bucket.

I am done.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

if you have reread the ENTIRE thread you will see Geore WAS giving every chance to be a good chap but decided to not play nice. have a look around and you will see lots of threads re good/crappy service here on this site.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

Kahrheart wrote:
Okay...so I'm new here and haven't posted before, but I logged in to respond to this thread. Some of you already know me. I'm Kahrheart, owner of a firearms forum and two training facilities. I don't have a problem putting my name to this post either. It's Lisanne Dickenson.
Never heard of ya, nice to meetcha.

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I have known George for years and can attest to his gunsmithing quality and his character. I don't know why this thread got started and he was named, but I can tell you that he is undeserving of being treated in such a way.
I think this is covered in the first post in this thread. You may want to go read it.
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George has worked on my own guns (and I'm very picky!) and has always done a very nice job for a very fair price. I would recommend him highly.
I don't think his skill was ever called into question...
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Bashing someone's livelihood on a public forum for no good reason is really uncalled-for.

Edit: I read back and saw the original post that started this. If you knew George, you would know that he wasn't meaning to be rude. He does get a lot of calls from people looking for "inexpensive" work. As a professional. I know how frustrating it is when someone inquires about your work and wants it "inexpensively". Nine times out of 10, that will be the person who complains afterwards that you didn't do quality work, too.
I understand that his email might have seemed short and dismissive, but I feel confident in saying that if you actually met him face to face, you'd like him and would appreciate his quality craftsmanship.
...but his customer service skills were. I'm sorry but this just sounds like apologizing for someone who is unabashedly a curmudgeon. There are multiple ways to deal with someone rather than express your own personal frustrations on them. He could have tried clarifying his terms and seeing what she meant by 'inexpensive' (ie does she mean cheapest or does she mean good quality at a lower price point). He chose not to take this route but instead to thump his chest at one of his, apparently, pet peeves.

Unfortunately for him he chose someone with little patience for it and enough of a soap box to get noticed. Bad choice on his part.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: He don't know me very well Reply with quote

This thread has run it's course.

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