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Feral Fix 308
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Feral Fix 308 Reply with quote

@Sniper
I been shooting since 1984 and reloading since 1995 when a mate sold me his dillon square deal to reload .38/.357 pistol. It soon joined with .45 conversion kit. Then in 2002 at a local gun swap show I acquire a lyman turret for $50. For it I got dies for .223, .243,.308 and two wildcats (a.32 and the 300 whisper). I mostly load for my .243 because i used it a lot for plinking and whatnots. I acquired 6000 rounds of Norico 223 FMJ loads for $360 back in 1997 and still using them, so I never load for 223 before. Then I got lucky with the Feral Fix for my 308 before I even unpack and set up for my .308 dies.
So in all, I reloaded over 10000 rounds of .38/.357 and about 5000 .45ACP. But in rifle cartridges, I have only do about 500 of .243. I have loaded about 150 in the .32 wildcat and about 100 for my .300 whisper.
Oh yeah, I also own a few Lee Loader hammer reloading tools and made a few functional loads out ot them.

It seems that my most loaded ammo is by far the .38/.375 and the .45ACP pistol rounds, but then again, in the range every weekend, it is too easy to let go of 200 - 300 rounds in a practice comps.
I use my rifle mostly for hunting and the main spieces are pigs and goats.
So there.. I am a novice. I seek wisdom Oh Wise Master...

@Vince,
I have had pretty bad experience with Horseley park in the past. I bought a Lee start up loading kit, broke the lever in the first case sizing because apparently the casting has a large air bubble on it so it is weakened, brought it back coz in the box it said LIFETIME WARRANTY. And lo and behold, the Horsleypark idiots do not want to even listen to me nor willing to sent the set back to lee under warranty. They even have the gall to ask me to pay restocking fee for me to return it to them. I called consumer attairs and got the trouble straighten out. This is back quite a few years ago before I started to reload for my rifles. I say.. never again.

@ Bushy and Shipster
I think I may have to sacrifice a few more pistol shooting comps days to do the load testing for my new 308 replica Feral FIx...

Oh well.. I could think of worse things to do.. like mowing the lown... OUCH!!! Yes dear.. I'll do it first thing this sunday.. Yes dear, before I go to the range.. Ouch!! could you stop smacking me witht eh new ironing board!!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Feral Fix 308 Reply with quote

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coz in the box it said LIFETIME WARRANTY

We all want to blame the store we purchased the product from when something goes wrong. But, in this case the product warranty is from the manufacturer, as is usually the case, not the retailer. Few retailers can afford to honor all the manufacturers warranties themselves. It would be nice but it just does not work that way. We often hear the same complaint about MidwayUSA, Lock Stock & Barrel, Midsouth Shooters Supply and others but the responsibility for honoring warranty work rests with the manufacturer.
If you are down under I see your problem in that shipping to the factory would be at your expense and not cheap. In the case of Lee products it would be cheaper for you to buy a replacement than pay the shipping. You can see why the retailer does not want to represent you in a product failure.
Send an email to Lee and see if they will simply ship the part to you. Worth a try.
info @ leeprecision.com

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Feral Fix 308 Reply with quote

I'm sorry to hear you had a bad experience with Horsley Park Gelan. I have been dealing with them on and off for the past 30 years and have nothing but praise for them. However, having said that you well have encountered someone having a bad day.

What Popgun said is also totally correct. The gunshop is not obliged to honour the manufacturers warranty, although some do. I agree with Popgun...email Lee, outline the problem and see if they will send you a new part. Alternatively, get onto the importer/agent and put it to them. Whichever way, I will be surprised if you are ignored.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Feral Fix 308 Reply with quote

To match the accuracy of the load you can get real close by weighing the bullet and measuring the velocity. Using a bullet of that weight and a powder that safely generates the same velocity you should be close to the same accuracy - even if the bullet and powder are different. you may have to adjust the load a bit up or down but you should be close to the accuracy that you want.
I would just start from zero and start working up loads - I enjoy the process, it keeps me interested in the loading process.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Feral Fix 308 Reply with quote

@Vince & Popgun.

I am not actually blaming the seller in the first place. I am willing to work it out with them. It does take about 1 hour to drive from where I am to them, but I am willing to came in person to talk and solve the problems amicably. I even planned to purchase a larger, way more expensive RCBS Rock Chucker from them on the same day. The problems are, fisrtly, in Australia, the retailer are responsible in returning the item sold by them to the distributor/importer/manufacturer should there are problem under warranty (believe me I know. I am a retailer myself) . Secondly, here I am coming from far away, trying to explain my problem, and straight away, after the "I got a problem with this press...", they throw "we are not responsible for them". Never even they open the box and see what the problems are, nor did they suggest for any other alternative solution.

Yes, they may make less profit than other resellers, but, it is not my fault they do that. Taking less profit is not a cause for them to behave bad towards a customer. Mad Mad Mad

AAARGGGHHH!!!! Now my mood is ruined. I re live the day. Mad Mad Mad

Be back later Smile

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