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accurate data on 22 hornet question
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:27 am    Post subject: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

In the accurate number one book, it shows that you can use 1680, or 2015br for loading 22 hornet. But I notice in the newest Accurate load data that is available for downloading free from Accurate, they dont even mention 2015BR for the hornet at all.
Anyone know what the reason for the removal of 2015BR for the hornet is?

Also, what is the difference between powder and Bench Rest powder? I use Br for hunting and target bench rest shooting just fine. Why the distinction ?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:55 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

Bench rest powder is held to tighter tolerances , size, shape, weight and is suppose to be more consistent than normal regular powder thus giving the bench rest shooters tighter groups.

As far as the Accurate data, I don't use that powder and I'm sure someone will be along shortly to help you out.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

Ominivision1 wrote:
Bench rest powder is held to tighter tolerances , size, shape, weight and is suppose to be more consistent than normal regular powder thus giving the bench rest shooters tighter groups.

As far as the Accurate data, I don't use that powder and I'm sure someone will be along shortly to help you out.

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no help yet. Im going to assume the 1994 2015br is the same as todays 2015br and just go with it. But Im also going to try use some 1680 and try the Nitro 100 they recomend in the newest accurate loading data for the hornet. see which works best for me
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

I just downloaded the latest accurate 3.5 pdf load data and your right its not listed, so I called up a buddy of mine who uses accurate powder and also has a 22 hornet and it shows in his #2 book a starting load of 11.3grs behind a 40gr sierra bullet. Max according to the #2 book was 12.5grs. Whats odd about the 2015br powder is that it had modest velocity and almost 1/3 the pressure of any other powders listed in cups.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

yeah, I have a #1 accurate book, and its listed in it. I decided to give it [2015] a try for some paper punching target loads. I was using 1680 and also the old standby , 2400.

I think I shall call Accurate and find out just why they dont suggest it anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

I just found a load that my Ruger 77/22 Hornet likes, Hornady 40 grain V-Max with 12.8 gr Lil'Gun
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:54 pm    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

VAPA wrote:
I just found a load that my Ruger 77/22 Hornet likes, Hornady 40 grain V-Max with 12.8 gr Lil'Gun



I was told yesterday that Lil' Gun is another marketing line by Hodgdon. The sales guys at the reload shop I go to said its just repacked, renamed , and remarketed Hodgdon powders. A trick the Pharmaceutical companies have used for decades with medicines. New, improved, same old stuff.

Is there any truth to this? Does anyone know For Sure if its not true?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:34 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

Hogdon market a number of powders manufactured by Thales in an Australia (a Defence Industries Company). For instance, Varget - sold by Hogdon- is an Aussie powder manufactured and sold in Australia by Thales as AR2208.

Following is a list I received from the manufacturer of Thales / ADI powders marketed in the US by Hogdon / IMR. Note that Lil' Gun is not one of them.

ADI / Hodgdon Propellants

ADI Powder.........................Hodgdon / IMR naming

Trail Boss............................Trail Boss
AS30N................................Clays
AS50N................................International
AP70N................................Universal
AR2205..............................H4227
AR2207..............................H4198
AR2219..............................H322
BM2...................................Benchmark
Not available in Australia......8208 XBR
AR2206H............................H4895
AR2208..............................Varget
AR2209..............................H4350
AR2213H / AR2213SC..........H4831 / H4831SC
AR2217..............................H1000
AR2225..............................Retumbo
AR2218..............................H50BMG

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

www.hodgdon.com/shotpist.html


according to hodgdons own website, Lil gun is there creation.


go to bottom of the product list and there it is with explanation for its existence.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:07 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

According to the msds sheets provided by hodgdon, Lil gun is made by the St Marks Powder Co. Along with many other powders listed like H110, superperformance, etc.

Click HERE and than click on spherical powders to open up the pdf and it will show you who makes the powder for hodgdon.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

guess my point , and the point of the reload store guy , is that lil gun, is owned and or sold, and or marketed , by hodgdon. its not its own brand. So to speak. Now is it just another one of the powders hodgdon markets , renamed and repackaged, ???? dont know. but in this world of rebranding, its very possible ... I think
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:39 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

www.dtic.mil/ndia/2007.../Webb1.pdf


st. marks powder is General Dynamics.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

holly molly. the more I read its amazing. if its true. Alliant, Accurate, Hodgdon powders are just a few all made by General Dynamics.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

ADI makes Hodgdon's extruded powders and St Marks makes Hodgdon's spherical (the latter under both Hodgdon brand and the Winchester brand

whats in a name. Same things, different name




ADI Name Hodgdon Name
AS25BP / Trail Boss Trail Boss
AS30N Clays
AS50N International Clays
AS70N Universal Clays
AR2205 IMR 4227 - H4227
AR2207 H4198
AR2215 IMR 4198
AR2219 H322
AR2206H H4895
AR2208 Varget
AR2209 H4350
AR2213 H4831
AR2213SC H4831SC
AR2217 H1000
AR2218 H50BMG
AR2225 Retumbo
Benchmark2 BenchMark

Winchester Name Hodgdon Name
Win 231 HP38
Win 296 H110

RWS Rhino Name Alliant Name
Rhino 10 (RP10) Rl-10x
Rhino 15 (RP15) Rl-15
Rhino 19 (RP19) Rl-19
Rhino 22 (RP22) RL-22
Rhino 25 (RP25) Rl-25

RWS Rhino Name Norma Name
RP9 Norma 200
RP11 Norma 201
RP14 Norma 202
RP15 Norma 203b
RP18 Norma 204
RP22 Norma MRP
RP30 Norma MRP-2


Norma Name Alliant Name
Norma 203b RL-15
Norma MRP Rl-22

Winchester Name Alliant Name
WXR Rl-22
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: accurate data on 22 hornet question Reply with quote

Got an answer from Accurate.

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Daniel,

A-2015® is actually way too slow burning for the .22Hornet.

Although the previous owner/company did publish data for it, the velocities were mediocre and much lower than standard.

A-1680® is about the “ideal” powder for the 22Hornet.



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www.ramshot.com
www.accuratepowder.com

www.montanaxtreme.com
www.blackhorn209.com


Western Powders Inc. disclaims all possible liability for damages including, actual, incidental and consequential, resulting from usage of the information or advice contained in this message.
Use the data and advice at your own risk, and with extreme caution.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Always begin loading from the minimum "START charge and carefully develop loads by increasing in small increments of 2% towards the Maximum load.
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