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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:10 pm    Post subject: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

The Government of Canada is now a Conservative majority for the next four years. The long gun registy and possibly the firearms licencing is a thing of the past. Thank God!
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2011 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

Good deal.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

Great news!

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

I hope you are right ITD...but I doubt that it will be as easy as that if the laws are already in place. For them to repeal the laws and dismantle the licensing system will cost money and jobs, and that is something they will look at long and hard mate.

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PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

The lame duck minority government of the conservative party has not financed the Canadian Firearm Centre for the last 8 years and most of the positions were moved out to other departments and from my understanding is being held together by a skeleton crew. Most of it is automated and checked by a generic clerk position.

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 2:14 am    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

While In a minority government the conservative did declare year after year an amnesty period for the non-restricted firearms ( hunting firearms) This meant that they had to be registered but it was not a criminal offence not to do so. Since they are in a majority government now, I am sure that within a few months they will repeal that part of the law. In the meantime the RCMP is reclassifying some firearms as restricted in their interpretation of the law.
I live in Québec and our provincial government declared that they would like to keep the registry in the province, and will ask the federal for a transfer to the province of this registry, with a subsidy to run it of course.
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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2011 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

If it makes you feel better, the RCMP's threats to reclassify guns has largely been avoided due to the actions of CSSA and NFA. And Harper set a precedence that confiscations indeed will cost the federal government money from now on with that Norinco 97 rifle incident. As once one government admits that compensation must be paid to ban guns, and he paid out MSRP, any future governments by law will have to do the same.

Its not a win on paper, but its a win none the less as the Left will have to think twice before trying to repossess firearms next time around.

Harper has stated that the Firearms Act is a federal matter in the past, hopefully he'll be able to forget about what Quebec is asking by claiming its not a provincial matter. And I doubt that the Federal Government will give Quebec money to run it none the less.

Still, if you wish, once the LGR is removed, if Quebec does keep it, transfer all your guns to someone out of province, then keep holding onto them, as once they leave the province there wouldn't be any record of it's ownership after that. Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

The RCMP CANNOT reclassify any firearm period. This bears repeating " The RCMP CANNOT reclassify any firearm". Firearm classifications are done in Order in Council by a criteria that is set in place for some 20 odd years. The RCMPs' only input into this process is that they are the operators of the system as the national police force. As far as the government of Quebec taking over the registry, I personally don't want another provinces government with any more information about me than is the legal minimum. Quebec is always scrounging to get as many federal dollars as possible so that doesn't surprize me that they want the federal gun registry for nothing and to be paid for the privledge.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

Ha!, you were not invovled in what happened last year after the RCMP reclassified the Type-97 rifles coming in from China, after they gave the Go ahead that they were legal to the importers that got them certified, which lead to a confiscation of the initial batch. And they seized of the second batch once it hit the harbor.

Then the RCMP internally was planning on reclassifying multiple semi-automatics. Our favorite PI Derek was the one who leaked that tid bit from a RCMP email that was leaked to him. Which turned out to be true based on the dealings of the Canadian Firearm Associations with the Federal Government.

So take the blinds off from your eyes, cause it has happened once, and was attempted a 2nd time immediately after they got away with it.

Only good thing that came of his is the Harper government gave 2 slaps in the face, one to the left by setting the precedence that any future confiscations must pay the owner retail value of the firearm, and one to the RCMP who have been under close watch ever since.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 5:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

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Ha!, you were not invovled in what happened last year after the RCMP reclassified the Type-97 rifles coming in from China, after they gave the Go ahead that they were legal to the importers that got them certified, which lead to a confiscation of the initial batch. And they seized of the second batch once it hit the harbor.

Then the RCMP internally was planning on reclassifying multiple semi-automatics. Our favorite PI Derek was the one who leaked that tid bit from a RCMP email that was leaked to him. Which turned out to be true based on the dealings of the Canadian Firearm Associations with the Federal Government.

So take the blinds off from your eyes, cause it has happened once, and was attempted a 2nd time immediately after they got away with it.

Only good thing that came of his is the Harper government gave 2 slaps in the face, one to the left by setting the precedence that any future confiscations must pay the owner retail value of the firearm, and one to the RCMP who have been under close watch ever since.

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And nor were you involved with this incident. When did I say that I was involved? I haven't been living in a bubble for the last 55 years so don't try and make out like I have. Bearing in mind that the reason the government slapped left and right was that someone overstepped their authority and got caught. Nothing more and nothing less. and as far as "by law" you are wrong. Dead wrong. The parliament of Canada did not make a new law to fully compensate any further confiscations. If I am wrong then cowboy up and give me the Act number or even the amendment to the Act number. That little bit was a "policy" decision and you know how policy goes. Now before I go and say what I really shouldn't say to you, I will just leave it as it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

now now kiddies play nicely there is more than enough buckets and spades for everyone. put the toys back in the sandbox and be nice...
I know this is a heated topic close to all our hearts but infighting just gives the antis more ammo to fight with.
we here in NZ have been through the whole whats ok whats not what needs this or that licence and security so Im not unsypathetic in the slightest. the powers that be will do there bit and we will do ours just dont get too hot under the collar guys its not good for your heath or cause.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

First reading and its gone to committee. We are on our way.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

Good luck to you guys/gals I hope it passes.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

I am all for dropping the registry but I have NP with the licensing and mandatory safety training. Requiring a safety course is not new, just about every province had ans till has it as a requirement before you could get a hunting license. Many ranges require it before you can use their facilities. Licensing means a background check which will keep at least some people, who shouldn't be allowed, from legally obtaining firearms or ammunition. I should also point out that while criminal law is a federal responsibility, property rights are not guaranteed under our constitution and are in almost all cases within provincial jurisdiction. In fact laws restricting firearm use have been made by county and municipal governments using powers granted them under provincial legislation. To my knowledge, there has not been a successful court challenge of these types of bylaws.

There is no "Right" to bear arms in our constitution. There never will be and I do not ever expect there will be a need for the populace to take up arms against our own government. Our jurisprudence (common law) places human life above property. Deadly force is reserved almost exclusively for defence against deadly force. There are no castle laws in Canada. Concealed or even open carry is not going to magically happen because the conservatives are in power. This is the way it is, has been most of our history and, agree or not, the way it will stay. I would rather spend my time ensuring that my innocent activities in target shooting and hunting with the firearm of my choice are not overly restricted by ignorance of these sports, the uninformed fear of city folk or the media-tainment pundits who are too quick to demonize in the interest of a good story. I reserve my greatest disgust for politicians who jumped on the anti-gun bandwagon to help them get elected. They came from all political stripes.

Hunting, by the way is a provincial issue, except in national parks on federal reserve lands and for marine species including migratory waterfowl.

Before the injured howls start please note I have not made any value judgements with respect to ours or anyone's traditions, culture, history or current laws. Respect for others opinions is, to me, absolutely essential for civilized discourse.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Conservatives win Majority in Canada Good By Gun Registy Reply with quote

MacD wrote:
I am all for dropping the registry but I have NP with the licensing and mandatory safety training. Requiring a safety course is not new, just about every province had ans till has it as a requirement before you could get a hunting license. Many ranges require it before you can use their facilities. Licensing means a background check which will keep at least some people, who shouldn't be allowed, from legally obtaining firearms or ammunition.

I do not think anyone is talking about getting rid of the licensing of the owners, just the waste of the registry itself.

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