For all Remington bolt action owners, click the link below to go to Remington's web site for their Safety Modification Program.


Safety Modification Program

Ominivision thats a great offer and $20 for a fluro hats a good price
over the years a heck of alot of things have been made with a slight glitch that needs tweeking to make it work properly. the engineers among us will know what I mean there have been chainsaws that certain bolts work loose on. cars with brake issues sticky acceleraters. mouse traps that win awards but no one will use. I have hunted with mod 700s behind me and wasnt aware of any issues.
now I am.
my big bro had a bruno fox in .222 that was a marvalous weapon it had twin triggers so you set the trigger real light for presise shooting. If you didnt fire the shot once trigger was set you had to be real gentle opening the bolt and then let the set trigger off. it wasnt a fault it was just something to be aware of.you CANT expect to have a really light trigger pull that is bomb proof.

Interesting article by Jack Belk on the Walker/Remington trigger and how to identify the problem as well as fixing the problem.

Remington Triggers

Vince wrote:

Gidday Maqwa...I agree with the sentiments of Elvis mate. He is not laughing or having a joke mate...his comment is quite serious. None of us want to have a Accidental Discharge (AD)...but if it happens. Regardless of the reason it went off, so long as we observe the all important Safety Rules...which includes Muzzle Control...then chances are nobody will get hurt. This of course does not abrogate the responsibility of the manufacturer to ensure that the product they provide is safe for its designed and intended purpose. Cheers, Vince

Vince
I Say it is^&* serious too . "Just harpin'" about gun saftey, and repeating Muzzle control over and over again is not dealing with the issue at hand .NOT FUN!!!
It is that the remington rifle is NOT SAFE TO USE unless the triggers are repaired . .If we had this problem with the Mark three and four B303 it wouldn't get sweeped under the rug. They would been repaired !!

The Walker triggers have ridges in the trigger face where your finger contacts the trigger. The new X-Mark Pro triggers have a smooth trigger face. You can tell just by looking at your trigger.

The fix that Remington put in place in 1982 was to fix a problem with the safety only. It did not address all the issues with the trigger. Remington may have made it sound like all was fine and wonderful with the trigger after the 1982 fix, but they knew full well that they only fixed one of the two big issues within the trigger group. And yes, you can make an unaltered factory Walker trigger go off with only the most minimal touch to the rifle, if some of the trigger parts are defective or dirty. Remington may try to say that proper maintenance of the trigger is not being followed. But, what they define as proper maintenance is not realistic for the average gun owner. Thus, they put out a product that they knew or should have known was going to get a certain number of people in trouble.

Some of the triggers on rifles that Remington sells today are the same old Walker style triggers. If I had the choice, I would buy a Remington rifle with the new X-Mark Pro trigger. Now, Remington needs to quit selling the old Walker triggers and offer an affordable upgrade to the new X-Mark Pro trigger for all the owners of 700′s with Walker triggers. Granted, as stated in the article by Jack Belk, you can cut off a piece in the trigger assembly to eliminate the safety problem, but you still have the trigger problem. Like I said earlier, I think Remington should own up to this and offer an upgrade to the x-pro trigger assembly to eliminate both problems for a reasonable amount.

I think that would do good in the PR department as well as the reputation for the manufacturer.

Ominivision1 wrote:

The Walker triggers have ridges in the trigger face where your finger contacts the trigger. The new X-Mark Pro triggers have a smooth trigger face. You can tell just by looking at your trigger. The fix that Remington put in place in 1982 was to fix a problem with the safety only. It did not address all the issues with the trigger. Remington may have made it sound like all was fine and wonderful with the trigger after the 1982 fix, but they knew full well that they only fixed one of the two big issues within the trigger group. And yes, you can make an unaltered factory Walker trigger go off with only the most minimal touch to the rifle, if some of the trigger parts are defective or dirty. Remington may try to say that proper maintenance of the trigger is not being followed. But, what they define as proper maintenance is not realistic for the average gun owner. Thus, they put out a product that they knew or should have known was going to get a certain number of people in trouble. =Some of the triggers on rifles that Remington sells today are the same old Walker style triggers. If I had the choice, I would buy a Remington rifle with the new X-Mark Pro trigger. Now, Remington needs to quit selling the old Walker triggers and offer an affordable upgrade to the new X-Mark Pro trigger for all the owners of 700′s with Walker triggers. Granted, as stated in the article by Jack Belk, you can cut off a piece in the trigger assembly to eliminate the safety problem, but you still have the trigger problem. Like I said earlier, I think Remington should own up to this and offer an upgrade to the x-pro trigger assembly to eliminate both problems for a reasonable amount. I think that would do good in the PR department as well as the reputation for the manufacturer.

Right on

Ominivision1 wrote:

The Walker triggers have ridges in the trigger face where your finger contacts the trigger. The new X-Mark Pro triggers have a smooth trigger face. You can tell just by looking at your trigger. The fix that Remington put in place in 1982 was to fix a problem with the safety only. It did not address all the issues with the trigger. Remington may have made it sound like all was fine and wonderful with the trigger after the 1982 fix, but they knew full well that they only fixed one of the two big issues within the trigger group. And yes, you can make an unaltered factory Walker trigger go off with only the most minimal touch to the rifle, if some of the trigger parts are defective or dirty. Remington may try to say that proper maintenance of the trigger is not being followed. But, what they define as proper maintenance is not realistic for the average gun owner. Thus, they put out a product that they knew or should have known was going to get a certain number of people in trouble. Some of the triggers on rifles that Remington sells today are the same old Walker style triggers. If I had the choice, I would buy a Remington rifle with the new X-Mark Pro trigger. Now, Remington needs to quit selling the old Walker triggers and offer an affordable upgrade to the new X-Mark Pro trigger for all the owners of 700′s with Walker triggers. Granted, as stated in the article by Jack Belk, you can cut off a piece in the trigger assembly to eliminate the safety problem, but you still have the trigger problem. Like I said earlier, I think Remington should own up to this and offer an upgrade to the x-pro trigger assembly to eliminate both problems for a reasonable amount. I think that would do good in the PR department as well as the reputation for the manufacturer.

Well stated

Maqwa wrote:

tcknight wrote: The CNBC piece kind of reminds me of the old 60 Minutes piece on the danger of jeeps turning over in curves. Turned out they had tinkered with the suspension before filming the "roll over". "Just goes to show ya, its always somepin" Well I drove a CJ7 with31'' oversized tires and know I could roll it over real easy .When it started to rain and the pavement was hot- you could get that in line six spin the tires too at Highway speeds . But your right they did not come from the factory like that , and unlike the remington triggers you knew it .

Exactly. Now, think about what you just said..."it didn't come from the factory like that". Now I'll tell you something no one on this site yet knows. I worked 11 years for the FBI. We used Mod 700 Sniper Rifles built for us by the USMC. Every single one of them had trigger jobs. I never saw a SINGLE police SWAT Model 700 that had not been given a "trigger job" as well. Your argument does not hold water with me.
Any trigger can get dirty and fail. It is a mechanical instrument. (None in the Bureau ever did as far as I know.)

Okay. Some people have had trouble with Mod 700 triggers. Most haven't. Who gives a &*^%. I would prefer we get off this subject. I'm getting a little bored with the near personal attacks and snide remarks. If we can't have a civil argument we need to go play somewhere else.

Well Well !!

I am Sorry for you . Maybe take the dog for a walk !!
Think overal it has finally all been said , so we can all drop it myself included .

Well My family doesn't work for the FBI thank God nor for Remington .
Not every one has one of your reworked guns . That said . Usually some one who specialized in firearms knew what they were going and the guns were safe to use , just as any Ruger or Winchester .
Now feeling much better ,I think a friend on this form across the pond would want us to pull up a stool and grab a beer Elvis where are you ?

Well I took the step this morning and took both of my M700 to local gunsmith for him to check out and he took the 30/06 apart and trigger assembly apart and showed me the connector that separates from the trigger. Even though I have never had a problem, I felt safety is the up-most concern. It will cost me $90 apiece to have both rifles upgraded to the new trigger. That is cheap and even though I never had a problem, I think Remington should own up to this and pay for something because its a safety problem.

Well
Must confess
Just bought a Remington 7600 this week .
Think I am safe .
Ominivision 1
I would contact Remington . Even if they came to the party a little bit , you be that much ahead .
Good Job !!!

Maqwa

Sent Remington a letter just before I logged onto here.

I will try and post a large picture of the problem with the trigger assembly in a little bit.

I think your going a good job .
First your keeping us informed . Then by your action :

Your helping
Keeping America Safe and also Working

JFK
Ask not what your country can do for you , but rather ask what you can do for your Country !!

here is a a picture of the trigger.

Remington Triggers (Old Style)


What happens is when the sear drops to the connector, the trigger is unsupported and can and will disengage from the trigger.

Bottom line is take it to a smith, even though I never had problems, I was shown from my gunsmith the problems that were already there.

Hey Guys lets keep this topic civil OK We can disagree respectfully..

Joe