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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11386 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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And you're right Chet except that J0422 made a comment on using WD-40 on firearms and warned about the damage that it would do to the stock and I just chimmed in to warn all that WD-40 was a bad product when used for jobs that it was not intended for...Didn't realize that it would get a life of it's own....
I will sure try to have a good day...You wouldn't happen to know of any good Fariers would you???
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coyotehunter_1 Member
Joined: Jan 25, 2005 Posts: 319 Location: Tennessee (USA)
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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Hold that thought...My wife still plans to move me to the Ozaks...In a couple of years...Only have 2yrs 9mo to 65 and 10...
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roklok Super Member
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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I dont know if I totally agree on the anti-WD40 feeling. It is a poor rust preventative and is hard on stocks.I never wipe my guns down with it using a good gun oil or paste wax to do rust prevention dutys. However I have been using it for 15 years on my muzzleloader locks with no ill effects.I wash my locks in hot soapy water with a toothbrush, pat dry and then liberally spray entire lock with WD-40 which displaces remaining water (thats what the WD stands for). I then thoroughly wipe dry lock and apply thin film of bore butter.Its worked great for me for a long time. I have never observed any varnish or buildup of residue like I have with some thicker oils.Just my opinion.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11386 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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Roklok...Yup...That is correct...That's what I said above. If you use WD-40 make sure that you wipe it dry and apply a good gun oil...Yup...I did say that...Do not leave it on your guns all by itself...It was not designed to be a preservitive. Just a penetrent...
Now I must get off this tyrade as Our Great Moderator believes we are off subject.
Ooh... Good evening Coyotehunter_1
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roklok Super Member
Joined: Aug 11, 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Fairbanks, Alaska
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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I just tried to fire the aforementioned misfired round again,twice,and got only clicks.The primer was indented very deeply.I then pulled the bullet,dumped powder, deprimed and smashed the primer with a hammer. It exploded loud enough to make my ears ring. So the bottom line is I am still not certain what went wrong.Faulty primer? Debris between firing pin and primer? Or an excited hunter who did not close bolt completely causing a weak strike which upset primer components so subsequent trys did not ignite primer. I was hoping to figure out just what went wrong but I guess I'll never know.
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Boone Rookie Member
Joined: Aug 01, 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Stuart, Virginia
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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Hi,
A couple of years back I had similiar problems with primers, wouldn't ignite. I first thought it was a firing pin problem, but later had same problem with different caliber and rifle and the only thing in common was the primers. I just chalked it up to a bad batch of primers and didn't use any more of them. Has anyone else had this problem and what could I have done wrong?
Please email me if you have any ideas. My email address is: danboone132 @ yahoo.com
Have a good day,
d. boone
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sniper Super Member
Joined: Aug 18, 2005 Posts: 735 Location: Utah
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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This is good information! Thanks, guys.
Gunwriters for years stated as fact that to deactivate primers, squirt them with some sort of oil, and deprime. If I remember right, WD 40 was the substance of choice, and it would even deactivate a primer if sprayed on the outside of the case. It reportedly worked fine back then.
Apparently, the "old wisdom" is no longer correct. I "deactivated" a round about a month ago, then deprimed it, using that method. Now I know better. Apparently, primers aren't as "fragile" as they used to be, or something, and that is good.
What was the temperature when your rifle/ammo malfunctioned? It sounds like you had either a super tough primer cup or a light firing pin strike, most likely the lattter. Could the bolt lubricant have thickened from the cold, causing a light strike, or could some dirt have worked its way into mechanism after the first shot, keeping the firing pin from striking with full force, then being knocked away for the third shot? Field stripping the bolt, or spraying it with cleaner, then lightly lubricating couldn't hurt.
Roklok: "Short stroking" a bolt action will create all sorts of interesting problems, but not a light firing pin strike. The rifle is either cocked, or not. If you were using factory ammo, or primers from the same lot in your cartridges, and the others work satisfactorily, chances are, it is a rifle problem.
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mpf270 Rookie Member
Joined: Feb 02, 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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A few years ago I had trouble with CCI primers. I’d been using them for 20 some years when every primer type for every caliber for every gun had misfires. About 1 or 2 out of 20. I talked to CCI and they said to send them a bad one. I never did that, but have used Winchesters ever since without one failure.
WD 40 “is†made for use on guns. If you look at WD40’s web sight you will see numerous uses on guns. It has a solvent for penetration and cleaning along with a lubricant. The WD stands for Water Displacement, and 40 is the number of tries it took to get the formula correct. So I don’t see how it can trap water. In fact, it used to be popular with professional mechanics for getting water out of distributor caps and ignition wires.
Having, said that I don’t use it for guns. I did years ago but found after long storage times it got tacky. I’m sure this isn't good for the actions and triggers.
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Joined: Jul 21, 2005 Posts: 2612 Location: Not Here...!!
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5943
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Misfire and deactivating primers |
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Someone delete that! 1895 good work in spoting it!
Bushmaster is gonna have a feild day once he gets online
Someone delete all mention of WD-40, Doesnt Bushmaster have a thread just about WD-40 and its effect on guns ??
Dimitri
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