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Dawgdad Super Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:03 am Post subject: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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I was at Camp Perry this week and watched two guys shoot 20 shots each at 600 yards. All 40 shots were well inside a 12" 10 ring and 18 were inside a 6" X ring....
Did I mention these were with 20" AR service rifles fired from prone position with only a sling support in 8-15mph switching crosswinds using iron sights!!
80 gr.SMK's at 2700fps
I did not do as well that day but managed a 93-4X the next day when the wind held steady at 5-8.
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44marty Super Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:06 am Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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NICE !! That's some fine shooting -and with IRON SIGHTS !!! I don't think I could even see those targets at 600 yards without optics.
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Dawgdad Super Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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The aiming black is 36" on the 600 target and it extends to the 7 ring.
The bull looks the same against the front post as a 6" bull at 100 yards.
I have learned that with sight alignment and trigger control - iron sights can be very effective. BUT - very small errors in sight alignment can have huge affects at distance. .008" error at your nose is 6" at 600 yards(1moa)
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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Dawgdad, bet you had loads of fun! How many rounds did you send down-range?
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Dawgdad Super Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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I had 4 matches - 40-30-50 and 30 rounds. 40 of those were at 600 yards.
the rest were 200 and 300 which seemed pretty short.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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Dawgdad wrote: |
the rest were 200 and 300 which seemed pretty short. |
Know what you mean. Once you get comfortable shooting at longer range, they typical to mid ranges seem to close.
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BigBlue Super Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:06 am Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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I have to tip my hat to you. I have enough trouble seeing my sights, let alone a 600 yard target. I've come to terms with the fact that my days of using iron sights are behind me. I wouldn't however mind giving that 600 yard range a try with my bolt guns, scoped of course.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:09 am Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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BigBlue wrote: |
I wouldn't however mind giving that 600 yard range a try with my bolt guns, scoped of course. |
Why not your scoped AR?
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BigBlue Super Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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slimjim wrote: |
BigBlue wrote: |
I wouldn't however mind giving that 600 yard range a try with my bolt guns, scoped of course. |
Why not your scoped AR? |
That would also work once I get some loads worked up of sufficient bullet weight. With the 1-7" twist rate I should be able to stabilize bullets of a decent size. I guess in my case the major limitation in bullet size would be the magazine.
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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Many shoots will load the VLDs long and shoot them single shot.
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44marty Super Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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Dawgdad wrote: |
The aiming black is 36" on the 600 target and it extends to the 7 ring.
The bull looks the same against the front post as a 6" bull at 100 yards.
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That's what I mean . . My old eyes can't make out a 6" bull at 100 yards very well with iron sights. Guess its time to finally break down and get my eyeglass Rx updated.
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Dawgdad Super Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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BigBlue wrote: |
slimjim wrote: |
BigBlue wrote: |
I wouldn't however mind giving that 600 yard range a try with my bolt guns, scoped of course. |
Why not your scoped AR? |
That would also work once I get some loads worked up of sufficient bullet weight. With the 1-7" twist rate I should be able to stabilize bullets of a decent size. I guess in my case the major limitation in bullet size would be the magazine.
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fyi - for 1:7 AR the magic load that a whole bunch of service rifle and match rifle shooters use is a 75-80 grain VLD like the Berger, Hornady A-max or SMK with varget or RE- 15 or N140 at about 2700 fps.
I use the 75 Amax with 24.5 RE -15 seated to .015" from lands.
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Dawgdad Super Member
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Posted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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44marty wrote: |
Dawgdad wrote: |
The aiming black is 36" on the 600 target and it extends to the 7 ring.
The bull looks the same against the front post as a 6" bull at 100 yards.
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That's what I mean . . My old eyes can't make out a 6" bull at 100 yards very well with iron sights. Guess its time to finally break down and get my eyeglass Rx updated. |
Is is the post or the bull that goes fuzzy on you?
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Gil Martin Super Member
Joined: Jan 28, 2005 Posts: 1837 Location: Schnecksville, PA
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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At our DCM rifle match yesterday, a high master shooter racked up a 495-15X score out of a possible 500 with an AR. I ran the match and turned in his score to the NRA. All the best...
Gil
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slimjim Super Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: How well can you shoot your AR? |
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Did you take a picture of the target? Can you post it?
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