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Reloading 9mm ammo
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

Hello all, I recently bought a new Bul cherokee 9mm, and im a reloader, but what i was wondering is that the book calls for .355 diam of bullet but i heard that you can use.356 diam lead cast bullets, is this true....(I know that the .356 is a makarov)...Any help will be appreciated....Thanks

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:20 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

According to my reading you can use up to .358 cast bullets in the 9 x 19mm. There was an article in "Handloader" some time back about cast bullets in the 9.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:10 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

wildlumberjack1983 wrote:
Hello all, I recently bought a new Bul cherokee 9mm, and im a reloader, but what i was wondering is that the book calls for .355 diam of bullet but i heard that you can use.356 diam lead cast bullets, is this true....(I know that the .356 is a makarov)...Any help will be appreciated....Thanks

Before you buy anything, you should slug the bore to see what size it is.

If it's .355 then .356/7 is GTG for lead.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

Your Bul should be a 9x19 that requires a .355 diameter jacketed bullet.
Typically when running lead bullets you go .001 over jacketed bullet diameter. (.356 for the 9x19)
Because of machining tolerances that are not always up to par guys running lead bullets will sometimes slug their barrels to find it's exact diameter. They will then have their lead bullets sized .001 over this dimension.
This is why we sometimes see diameters greater than .356.

So the answer to your question is yes.

The Makarov is .365 not .356 !!!
I don't know if that was a misprint of if you inadvertently reversed the numbers but Makarov bullets are not interchangeable with the 9x19's.

By the way....that's a pretty cool looking gun in tactical form !!!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

I think there is also a 9 mm Makarov and I don't think you shoot very often when you use bullets of .365"...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

All the same !!!

Makarov
9 mm Makarov
9x18mm
9x18mm PM
9 mm Mak

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

Aloysius wrote:
I don't think you shoot very often when you use bullets of .365"...

Actually, Hornady, Speer, and Sierra all make jacketed bullets for them !!!
Some lead bullet manufactures have them available too.

It's a product that your not going to find in your local gun shop unless they have some costumers that use them regularly.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

The stupid thing is that in the past I've seen a box of 9 mm Makarov and they seemed only a little shorter than the 9 mm Para. Now I learned that their bullet is somewhat bigger. Not that I expect to need this knowledge in the near future, but who knows?
So thanks for being almost so persistent as a german Teckel Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

One article about cast bullets in the 9mm is in the October 2008 issue of "Handloader" and I think there has been another one in there since then. In the article he uses 0.358" bullets in some of the loads. I'm planning to try some 125 grain RN .358" bullets in mine when I get a chance.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

when casting your own lead bullets for 9mm.
what is a good mixture to use?
I have made lead bullets for a colt 45 and works very well.
the 9mm is faster, so I would think it would need a little harder lead bullet.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:14 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

Mike, Is it possible they were talking about the 38 Super when using the .358 bullets ???

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

Chambered, nope. 9x19mm Parabellum. Now this only applies to CAST bullets!! Apparently many are made on the "loose" side, bore wise. And naturally, like ALL handloads, you have to work up while checking for pressure signs.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

I do understand we're talking about cast !!!
I have heard of guys slugging their barrels for this reason, I just never though a .358 bullet would be needed.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Reloading 9mm ammo Reply with quote

Slugging your barrel is the best way to go if you plan on using cast bullets.

Back when I was target shooting pistols, slugging the barrel was the first thing I did with each new revolver to determine the bore size...then I would size my cast bullets appropriately. As it turned out, I sized all of my cast bullets to .357"...including the 9mm RN Conical bullet I used to cast.

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