HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: RichardZ
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 13126

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 250
BOT: 1
Total: 251
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Your Account
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums
05: Your Account
06: Forums
07: Home
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Home
11: Your Account
12: Home
13: Home
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Statistics
17: Photo Albums
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Forums
24: Home
25: Forums
26: Home
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Home
30: Your Account
31: Forums
32: Forums
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Your Account
38: Forums
39: Home
40: Home
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Forums
50: Home
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Forums
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Forums
57: Home
58: Photo Albums
59: Forums
60: Forums
61: Forums
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Forums
65: Forums
66: Forums
67: Home
68: Home
69: Forums
70: Home
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Home
80: Forums
81: Forums
82: Home
83: Forums
84: Forums
85: Forums
86: Your Account
87: Forums
88: Home
89: Home
90: Forums
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Photo Albums
94: Home
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Photo Albums
98: Home
99: Forums
100: Forums
101: Forums
102: Forums
103: Forums
104: Home
105: Forums
106: Forums
107: Forums
108: Forums
109: Forums
110: Forums
111: Forums
112: Forums
113: Your Account
114: Forums
115: Forums
116: Forums
117: Forums
118: Your Account
119: Your Account
120: Forums
121: Forums
122: Forums
123: Forums
124: Forums
125: Forums
126: Forums
127: Forums
128: Forums
129: Home
130: Forums
131: Forums
132: Photo Albums
133: Forums
134: Home
135: Forums
136: Home
137: Forums
138: Your Account
139: Forums
140: Your Account
141: Forums
142: Your Account
143: Forums
144: Photo Albums
145: Home
146: Forums
147: Forums
148: Forums
149: Your Account
150: Your Account
151: Forums
152: Forums
153: Forums
154: Forums
155: Forums
156: Photo Albums
157: Forums
158: Forums
159: Forums
160: Forums
161: Photo Albums
162: Forums
163: Forums
164: Forums
165: Forums
166: Forums
167: Forums
168: Forums
169: Forums
170: Forums
171: Forums
172: Forums
173: Forums
174: Forums
175: Forums
176: Forums
177: Forums
178: Forums
179: Forums
180: Home
181: Forums
182: Forums
183: Forums
184: Home
185: Forums
186: Forums
187: Your Account
188: Forums
189: Photo Albums
190: Forums
191: Forums
192: Forums
193: Forums
194: Forums
195: Forums
196: Forums
197: Photo Albums
198: Forums
199: Forums
200: Photo Albums
201: Forums
202: Forums
203: Forums
204: Forums
205: Forums
206: Forums
207: Your Account
208: Forums
209: Your Account
210: Photo Albums
211: Forums
212: Forums
213: Forums
214: Your Account
215: Forums
216: Photo Albums
217: Home
218: Home
219: Forums
220: Your Account
221: Forums
222: Photo Albums
223: Forums
224: Forums
225: Forums
226: Forums
227: Home
228: Forums
229: Forums
230: Forums
231: Home
232: Home
233: Forums
234: Forums
235: Home
236: Home
237: Home
238: Forums
239: Forums
240: Forums
241: Photo Albums
242: Forums
243: Your Account
244: Your Account
245: Home
246: Forums
247: Forums
248: Forums
249: Home
250: Home
  BOT:
01: Home

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 308
 Pictures: 2451
  · Views: 820725
  · Votes: 1316
  · Comments: 86
 

M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom
Discussions related to Guns and Firearms
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Donut Slayer
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2007
Posts: 594
Location: Pensacola, Florida

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Holy smokes. I've never seen anything like that. What would cause 3 rds to go off at the same time?? besides heat?

_________________
Browning X-Bolt in 30'06. The work for a pet load starts again. Wink The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 5001
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

I just figured that one cartridge exploded, destroying the cylinder and taking out the cartridges on either side. With the top of the cylinder gone there may not have been enough force to push the bullet out of the adjacent chamber.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Donut Slayer
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2007
Posts: 594
Location: Pensacola, Florida

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Pumpkinslinger wrote:
I just figured that one cartridge exploded, destroying the cylinder and taking out the cartridges on either side. With the top of the cylinder gone there may not have been enough force to push the bullet out of the adjacent chamber.
Maybe. Looking at the 2 rounds there, they look like they were "blown out" not in, so I assumed(we all know what assume means) they went off. I would like an autopsy done of the other rounds to find out if it was careless reloads. Like someone said before, S&W 629's are robust handguns. I dont believe a 10% overcharge would do this. Maybe someone used C4 instead of gunpowder. Very Happy

_________________
Browning X-Bolt in 30'06. The work for a pet load starts again. Wink The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
wiersy111
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 13, 2009
Posts: 2376
Location: Central Minnesota

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

I can't say I have ever seen anything like that!!!!!!

I would really like to understand just what happened.

_________________
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America " for an amount of "up to and including my life."

US ARMY RETIRED

The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.

Being "Over the Hill" is much better then being under it!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
gelandangan
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 07, 2006
Posts: 6396
Location: Sydney Australia

PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

looking at the stuck bullet and indentation on the case fragment in the chamber,
it could be that the projectile is larger than .429.

_________________
A straight line is the shortest distance between two points.
A smile is the shortest distance between two people.

Do - Not try!


gelandangan.weebly.com/
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
Arron
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 352
Location: Cen.Iowa, by way of SWIowa

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Well it is nice to see someone else's kB!!!

That is almost; EXACTLY what my RUGER .45Colt BLACKHAWK LOOKS LIKE!!!!! Except rotate the cylinder one chamber counter-clockwise.


And no it was not that loud when it it went off, nor was the felt recoil reported to be any more heavy. I was not the one who pulled the trigger, if you may remember. Ok here is what happend to mine through the knowledge of a previous user with a similarly kB'd Vaquero. The first cartridge in line with the bore fired, too much pressure which then "flame cut" the cylinder wall and there by cut into the nest case and ignited the powder, there was no where for the EXCESS pressure to go so it blew off the cylinder and the top strap and this was a logical progression as the walls were weakened due to the flame cutting.

So just because it is a RUGER or a FREEDOM ARMS does not mean it will NOT kB on you when you get silly. It almost cost my aunt's husband his right eye. And I lost my favortie handgun in the process!!! Which is NOTHING COMPARED TO HIM BEING ABLE TO SEE!!!! I still can see the top strap or the outside of the cylinder flying up through the air and him grabbing his face. I hope no one EVER finds themselves in a similar situation. It took me right about three months to be able to pull the lever on the press again.

_________________
What do I know: I am just a line animal.


Last edited by Arron on Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:04 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 15704
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Triple chain-fire...well, I would hazard a guess at saying bits and pieces of shrapnel have fractured/cut the two outside cases and the fireball resulting from the initial detonation was sufficient to ignite the powder in the other cases.

Note that the projectiles in the outside cases, well one of them amywayz, is still in position and the damage to the cases indicate an upward blast.

It would have taken only a slight fracture to allow the fire to reach the powder inside, but it would have caused the already weakened cases (from the cut/fracture) to fail in the direction of the least resistance...the fracture or cut.

Really though...it is anybody's guess exactly what happened...pressure can do strange things. The only way we could be certain of what happened would be to see a slow motion video of the detonation occurring.

As an example of something very strange indeed...I have seen a revolver "machine-gun"...well two rounds anyway. Best we can work out is that the action job on a S&W Model 29 left the sears a little too finely set, and on recoil ,the hammer came back far enough to allow the cylinder to rotate and then fall in the newly "chambered" round, setting it off. Needless to say it "surprised" the firer...but not enough to call an alibi in the Silhouette match we were shooting.

Like Bushy...I also hand weigh every round, and, I check them all visually prior to seating bullets.

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
Triple chain-fire...well, I would hazard a guess at saying bits and pieces of shrapnel have fractured/cut the two outside cases and the fireball resulting from the initial detonation was sufficient to ignite the powder in the other cases.
Cheers, Vince

Makes sense and I agree as that's kinda what I was thinking. The bullets had nowhere to go so the outboard cases ruptured.
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 5001
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Vince, there is an article in one of the shooting magazines ("Handloader"?) about a "full auto" single action revolver. If I remember correctly the firing pin hole in the frame was oversized, not supporting the primer. When the gun was fired the primer ruptured and escaping gas blew the hammer back, since the trigger was still held back it fired again, and again.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 11390
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Blowback must have been a real problem controling. Especially in the face.

You couldn't, by chance, find that again? I'd like to see that piece of engineering...

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
Dawgdad
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Posts: 1065
Location: On the Prairie

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:26 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

gelandangan wrote:
looking at the stuck bullet and indentation on the case fragment in the chamber,
it could be that the projectile is larger than .429.

I do not see it that way - The cylinder in not cut in a midline cross section so the bullet is the right size for the cylinder.

_________________
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
PaulS
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Posts: 4330
Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State

PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

There is no soot on the side rounds - I don't think they went off.
I think the cases were crushed when the cylinder started to blow up, then got torn in half as the cylinder split.

_________________
Paul
__________________
Speer, Lyman, Hodgdon, Sierra, and Hornady = reliable loading data
So and So's pages on the internet = NOT reliable loading data
Always check data against manuals
NEVER exceed maximum listed loads
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
stovepipe
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 25, 2008
Posts: 4877
Location: Pine, Az.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Good point.

The whole gun is too clean. Almost like someone cleaned it. There's a bit of soot in the top most case. Not much though.

But them cases def. look exploded to me.
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Site Admin
Site Admin


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 15704
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:57 pm    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Maybe the guy "cleaned" things up for the pic...maybe had to clean the bloody mess off'n things.

Cheers, Vince

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
TRBLSHTR
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Mar 23, 2007
Posts: 1071
Location: Lower 48's-left coast(near portlandia)

PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: M629 BLOWUP - Kaboom Reply with quote

Shocked As I look at the pics-it looks like a combination of problems,either underloaded(flash over detonation)which might account for,lack of soot,or if overloaded he must have been using something very clean for a powder(kindof reminds me of bullseye,and a triple load),and also the metal looks like it was "crystallized" like maybe a manufacturing problem.I'm not going to try to figure out the metallurgy from S&W.Possible bore obstruction from a previous shooting/cleaning session?I have seen a few firearms that have been blownup-but none to that degree till now!Sounds like maybe the owner should go back to reloading 101! wtf

_________________
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Gun & Firearm Discussions
Page 2 of 3
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by *Dizfunkshunal* :.