HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: StevHey
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 12381

People Online:
Members: 1
Visitors: 176
BOT: 4
Total: 181
Who Is Where:
 Members:
01: Tremblay > Forums
 Visitors:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums
05: Forums
06: Forums
07: Photo Albums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Forums
11: Forums
12: Forums
13: Forums
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Photo Albums
17: News
18: Forums
19: Photo Albums
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Photo Albums
23: Forums
24: Forums
25: Forums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Forums
32: Forums
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Photo Albums
38: Forums
39: Photo Albums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Photo Albums
44: Your Account
45: Photo Albums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Home
49: Photo Albums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Photo Albums
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Photo Albums
57: Photo Albums
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Home
61: Forums
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Forums
65: Forums
66: Forums
67: Forums
68: Home
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Your Account
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Home
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Photo Albums
81: Forums
82: Photo Albums
83: Forums
84: Forums
85: Forums
86: Forums
87: Home
88: Forums
89: Forums
90: Forums
91: Your Account
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Forums
95: Home
96: Forums
97: Photo Albums
98: Your Account
99: Forums
100: Forums
101: Forums
102: Forums
103: Your Account
104: Forums
105: Photo Albums
106: Forums
107: Forums
108: Forums
109: Forums
110: Forums
111: Photo Albums
112: Forums
113: Forums
114: Photo Albums
115: Forums
116: Forums
117: Photo Albums
118: Forums
119: Forums
120: Photo Albums
121: Forums
122: Forums
123: News
124: Photo Albums
125: Photo Albums
126: Forums
127: Forums
128: Photo Albums
129: Photo Albums
130: Forums
131: Forums
132: Forums
133: Forums
134: Forums
135: Forums
136: Forums
137: News
138: Photo Albums
139: Forums
140: Photo Albums
141: Forums
142: Forums
143: Forums
144: Photo Albums
145: Forums
146: Forums
147: Forums
148: Forums
149: Forums
150: Forums
151: News
152: Photo Albums
153: Forums
154: News
155: Photo Albums
156: Forums
157: Forums
158: Photo Albums
159: Forums
160: Forums
161: Forums
162: Forums
163: Forums
164: Photo Albums
165: Forums
166: Photo Albums
167: Forums
168: Forums
169: Photo Albums
170: Forums
171: Photo Albums
172: Forums
173: Forums
174: Forums
175: Forums
176: Forums
  BOT:
01: Photo Albums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 312
 Pictures: 2417
  · Views: 250064
  · Votes: 1255
  · Comments: 86
 

Support our Advertisers

.270 Win or .308 Win
Discussions related to Guns and Firearms
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3432
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:17 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

Quote::
308 using the Federal black box 165s

Ed, Correct me if I'm wrong......That bullet was a Ballistic Silver Tip???

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SwampFox
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 15, 2005
Posts: 1040
Location: Destin, Florida

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

Unsure, which bullet it was.

The bullets in S. Africa were definately Hornady 165s as I saw the bullets on the reloading bench in the arms room, which was a big vault, and asked if that was what they used. I was using a 300 WSM with 180 Sierra Pro Hunters and their 30 cal bullets interested me.

Oh, yes, memory returns for a split second, CRS fade out, the Federals were nickel plated brass and black coated bullets. Might that be their TSX or similar such premium bullet load?
Best,
Ed

_________________
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3432
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

If memory serves me correctly the bullet should have also had a white polymer tip. I don’t think they were loading the TSX in that product line.

If it were a B-Tip...... the story comes at no surprise to me.
B-Tips expand very rapidly and will not give proper penetration with a shoulder shot. Anyone familiar with them knows to stay off the shoulder with them. They have received a bad rap because of this but I blame it on the shooter for not understanding what his ammo is designed to do.

I’ve used them for years with great success!!! When I’ve done my part on shot placement I’ve had only 2 deer that wasn’t a bang flop your switch has been turned off!!! Those two piled up within 25 yards of where they stood when shot.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
SwampFox
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 15, 2005
Posts: 1040
Location: Destin, Florida

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

Ah, that makes sense, because we had a descussion about the plastic tips which were red as I now recall. The rig was a rainbow of color looking thing, brass primers, nickel cases, black bullets with red plastic tips, etc.

Also as I recall John shot about 10 deer a year to feed his family including 4 kids and to fill the freezer. Most of his deer were shot behind the shoulder and hit the ground, but were shot at close range, less than 100 yards. Unfortunately John died two years ago from cancer.

I do know one thing, watching that shot through my scope really turned me off. I had never seen anything like it. When the shot broke, I heard the bullet hit and saw the deer flinch, but he never staggred, fel or did anything but reel around and go into 5th gear. It looked just like you have described, a bullet that entered, disentegrated and stopped before reaching the vitals. It did not blow up on the skin and made no large surface wound. I was looking dead at the deer at 16x.

Actually John told me he was aiming to hit the back edge of the shoulder and hit the shoulder center up.
Best,
Ed

_________________
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3432
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

I almost bought some of that ammo because of how cool it looked!!! Cool

Sorry to hear of John’s loss to cancer. Sad

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
slimjim
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 16, 2009
Posts: 6847
Location: Fort Worth TX

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

glad to see additional posts and the description that the .308 bullet was a Ballistic Tip which puts SwampFox's experience in perspective. I'd like to add some more perspective and pulled it from the Hodgon Reloading manual and BigGame Ballistic Calculator to keep it objective. Hodgon shows loads to 200gr for the 308 and up to 220 for the 30-06. Taking max loads for each using 200 gr Swift A-frame bullets and Varget powder, the muzzle velocity of the 308 was 2441 and the 30-06 was 2501fps. At 400 yards the Energy for the 308 was 1355 ft/lbs and the 30-06 was 1432 equating to an optimal game weight of 320 lbs and 348 lbs, respectively. I don't see this as a significant performance difference and individual barrel characteristics of two different rifles could make them equal. I checked my 150gr .270 load with a muzzle velocity of 2900 fps and it has 1678 ft/lbs of energy at 400 yards and an optimal game weight of 382 lbs. I have all 3 calibers in my safe. I like shooting the .270 the best but that may also be slanted because I have come to like my Tikka T3 better than my Remington 700.

Based on the data, if you want heavy weight .30 caliper bullet performance, wouldn't it better to consider one of the magnum cases?

I would suggest that the specific bullet you choose, e.g., Sierra Game King, Nosler Partition or Ballistic Tip, Barnes TTSX, etc, may have more contribution to hunting success than the cartridge that delivers it.


Last edited by slimjim on Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:17 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
SwampFox
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 15, 2005
Posts: 1040
Location: Destin, Florida

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

The 06 was downgraded to make the specs safe in any gun ever made in 06, including the brittle 03 actions. The 308 was made 30+ years later and the guns it was made in, do not include the same problem rifles chambered for the 06. This is why you see a disparity in pressures.

In every discussion comparing the 308 to 30-06, the 308 shooters bring the SAMMI specs up without any explination. Many folks buy into the SAMMI stats as an apples to apples comparison, which it is not and never has been.

The correct comparison is performance potential in a modern rifle, for example the 700 Remington with modern powders. Then, guess what? The 308 is just a shadow of the 06. Doubt it? Go look at the load data on this site.
Best,
Ed

_________________
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-Winston Churchill
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
JASmith
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Sep 14, 2009
Posts: 9
Location: California

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

If I understand the thread introduction correctly, you've been happy with your .270, the way it handles, and the way it shoots, but you would like to go with the larger bullets available in the 30 caliber for some of your hunting.

My first response would be to go with a 30-06 or larger case with the same 3.34" overall length (e. g. .300 win mag) in a rifle and optics as close to the same as your .270 as you can make it.

The .300 Win Mag is a particularly good choice because the drop and wind drift out to 500 yards are very close to those of the .270 when using appropriately chosen factory loads.

This would mean that all the lessons and habits that have served you well for the .270 will carry over to the .300 Win Mag and vice versa. Examples are holdover, wind correction, bolt stroke, etc.

_________________
Nevermore...
shootersnotes.com
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website
slimjim
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 16, 2009
Posts: 6847
Location: Fort Worth TX

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

SwampFox wrote:
disparity in pressures.

I did make it apples to apples. Not only was the bullet and powder the same, the pressure for the .308 load above was 50,100 CUP vs 49,600 CUP for the .30-06, within 1% of each other. All the Hodgen data for both cartridges ran at this pressure level, 50, 000 CUP +- little.

What did I miss?

Where is the load data located on this site?
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 4345
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

Look under "Modules" in the left column, first block, "Reloading Database"

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anyone else, and there ain't no one better than me!" Ma Kettle

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5906
Location: Southern Ontario

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:09 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

I have heard reports of running the 308Win and 30-06 up to 60,000PSI where the new magnum ammunition is spec'ed to.

I don't suggest trying it at home. Wink

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Visit poster's website Photo Gallery
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3432
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

Just as a reminder!!! This thread is about the choice of a 308 or the 270!!!

wtf Lets not turn it into another 308 v 30-06 argument!!!

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
lilbudsjst
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Sep 11, 2009
Posts: 6
Location: AZ

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

This will probably open a can of worms, but I don't care for the 30-06 and have never even wanted or considered having one. There are other calibers that work just as well or better than the '06.

I was asking to find out how good the .308 is to see if it can fill in where my .270 leaves off. I wanted to know if it would be that much better or maybe I will move up to a magnum for the same performance as my .270, but with a heavier bullet.

_________________
"No Free Man Shall Ever Be Denied The Use Of Arms..."

Thomas Jefferson
Back to top
View user's profile
slimjim
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 16, 2009
Posts: 6847
Location: Fort Worth TX

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:04 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

lilbudsjst wrote:
I was asking to find out how good the .308 is to see if it can fill in where my .270 leaves off.

I've got both and don't see the .308 as a step up from a .270 in any aspect. I'm going to take my .308 to the gun show this weekend to sell it. I don't need two rifles that are so close in capability and, IMO, the .270 does it better at the longer ranges. To pick up where the .270 leaves off, I think you will need heavy .30-cal bullets with good BC in higher capacity cases than the 30-06 or a .338 cartridge.
Back to top
View user's profile
d_hoffman
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 13, 2007
Posts: 696
Location: Chillicothe, Ohio

PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: .270 Win or .308 Win Reply with quote

Hey Slim Jim, I agree with you on the .270 but the step-up from that, IMHO, would be the 7mm Rem. mag. with a 162gr load. The 7mag has taken evey big game animal in North America and has also taken cape buffalo in Africa. It's such a flat shooting, hard hitting round that I don't see any reason to have anything else. I know, I might have just opened up another can of worms on this but from what I see, ballistically the 7 mag edges out the '06. Yes, the '06 has been around forever and the 7 mag hasn't and we've had the '06 preached to us to no end. Numbers don't lie and I've seen people shoot deer with an '06 with 2 and 3 good shots and the deer ran off. In one case the deer was not found for a week. All except for my bad experience with Barnes X bullets I've never had a deer take another step with my 7 mg.

_________________
The best form of gun control...aim straight!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Gun & Firearm Discussions
Page 2 of 6
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.