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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

And I scored a 199/200 for my CCW quals...And yer point?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

I shoot revolvers and autos. I've found that, when not using the sights, I do pretty well with revolvers but shoot low with most autos. I'm assuming its the grip angles. At 5 yards with a Browning HP or Taurus PT-140 I can be as much as a foot low. I have to see the front sight a little to be effective.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

You are correct about the grip angle!!!
Your stance and grip on the gun can also cause an issue.
If you have a gun that won’t point, you can train yourself to point it where it needs to be.
I do however caution anyone that carries concealed to be changing your natural pointing abilities with a gun other than the one you carry.
Chances are you’ll revert back under stress !!!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Bushmaster wrote:
And I scored a 199/200 for my CCW quals...And yer point?

My "point" is just that. Point shooting in a combative mode works. Which is the reason they made the G.I. model in the first place. When you bring it up to eye level and the front sight, or muzzle, which ever method you perffer, comes across center mass, you pull the trigger, the gun goes bang, the bullet hits its mark, end of story.

Like all types of shooting, it does take practice to become proficient with that type of shooting. So with a little practice Bushy, even you can be that good. Poke ROFL Laughing Pistol Shooting Cheers

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Wow Chambered...I'm in trouble then because I shift from my Kimber UCC II to my Firestar M43 to my S&W Mod 19 seasonally...Or when the mood strikes me...Worse then that...I carry them all in a different manor. The Kimber is carried on my hip at 3:00 OC or 4:00 IWB. Fire star the same. Combat magnum, appendix carry IWB or OC at 3:00.

Missouri requires that you deminstrate profiency with both Semi-auto and revolver...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Hey hoffy...Ever notice that a lot of handguns (those that seem to have a natural pointability) are also the same ones that point in the same direction as your pointing (index) finger? In that I have never missed when pointing something out with my index finger.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

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Wow Chambered...I'm in trouble

I wouldn’t say that !!! You’re obviously comfortable with your abilities and know what you can and can’t do with the days gun of choice.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: in a nut shell. Reply with quote

I'm not an 'intuitive' or point shooter as defined in most circles. And I sure aint no 'competetive' shooter. I shoot defensive with sidearms. (aint that they're intended pourpose? Very Happy )

I present a HG the same way every time it clears leather, regardless of what type of sights it has- if any (blade/ramp, groove/ramp, none or 'trench' etc.).
It keeps my follow up shots tighter/more consistent. Reason? A slightly slower couple of hits center mass is better than faster misses.
I shoot faster at close ranges and slower and longer ranges because of the deviation each range/target will accept.
A miss is unacceptable, as well as dangerous to others.

If a threat is too close for 'presented sighted fire' then it get's 'rocked' or press-fired (revolver only).

P/s- I paint my sights too. Nail polish is bomb-proof. Lightly coat the ramp in white then follow with a contrast color if you choose, after the white dries.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Yup, I sure have Bushy. My .45 is the best in that aspect but if I went by my index finger and how it points I'd be pointing around corners. My Glock isn't too bad at point and shoot but I'm not as fast with it. I'm as accurate with it as I am with my .45 though. Maybe it's the light meight of the Glock.

BTW Bushy, I'm just jerkin yer chain. You seem to be a fun one to do that to. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

I got a cheap pellet gun with sights that are (in my opinion) worse then the GI sights due to the molding not lining up right. However I still can hit a mouse at about 12 feet with it.

Practice makes perfect, so does knowing your firearm. No amount of fancy sights will change the fact that you don't know the gun and its sights.

Personally I'd stick with the GI sights, more simple and time tested, and you don't need much more to stop a BG.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Dimitri wrote:
Practice makes perfect, so does knowing your firearm. No amount of fancy sights will change the fact that you don't know the gun and its sights.

Personally I'd stick with the GI sights, more simple and time tested, and you don't need much more to stop a BG.

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Dot 'em with some white-out and see if ya likes it then if you do, make it permanent with fingernail polish.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Yeh, I know Hoffy...Pick on Bushy. He can take it... Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

I just noticed I said finger nail polish twice in the same thread.

Yikes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

I notice that...Is there some reason why you brought it up?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: I need your opinions Reply with quote

Wanna get the disclaimer in before the rabble-rousing starts. Laughing Very Happy
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