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RePete Super Member
Joined: Aug 15, 2005 Posts: 1034 Location: Gods Country
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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I started out with a 10-05, then graduated to a 10-10 which I still use, but last year I got a 1500 combo for the .338LM.
Measuring 90+ grains of powder on the 10-10 is a PITA, but the 10-10 with the Culver modified Lyman 55 is good.
I have loaded .308 with the 1500 but, for some reason, I prefer the Lyman 55 and the 10-10.
You can't go wrong with the RCBS 1500 Combo. Supported by a great company and faster that the Lyman 1200.
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TheBigJonson Rookie Member
Joined: Mar 23, 2009 Posts: 16 Location: Mountains of the Moon
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 8:30 am Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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Handloader wrote: |
The drawbacks to the electronic scale.....the time it takes to use them.
...dropping the charge to the pan, trickling as needed and taking the pan to the scale is faster, IME, than any electronic combination measure/scale/trickler......The scale may read 60.1, then 60.2, back to 60.1, then 60.0. |
Handloader, your observations make sense to me...my method for bench loads is similar but even more simple. On the point of the thread, I have an Ohaus 10.10-10 (had to go look) beam and an old Dillon D-Terminator. I use the Ohaus rarely and find the Dillon spot on - checked with reference weights periodically.
I meter my bench loads with a Redding bench-grade measure...I used to check every 10 loads...now I just check a few loads at the beginning of a session. I find this measure throws loads of almost all powder types within .1 gr. without fail. Your fluctuation being within that on your electronic scale is within the Redding capability and well within benchrest specs, so IMO it can be ignored. Having said that, a breeze coming from a crack somewhere can cause that much drift.
So, I use the powder measure directly into the primed case and get very consistent results at the range. I've tested this system against my Dillon 550B press (with bench grade dies in place) and the results are different (to benchrest standards) - a little more general spread...I suspect it's just the difference in the powder measure itself. I may be going against the grain here...but I believe concentricity and other specs are more important to accuracy than how powder is measured and loaded . BJ
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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Bushy,
I thought we was friends......
I won't get rid of any of my balance beams either!
I haven't found anything to replace them yet.
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dust54 Member
Joined: Mar 31, 2006 Posts: 204 Location: Gurley, AL
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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Just a quick comment about digital scales. The line voltage used will flucuate causing some of the flucutation seen on digital scales. I use digital scales and still have my balance beam (when the electricity goes out I can still reload). I always calibrate the digital scales after allowing 15-20 minute warm up time. Even if I turn the scales off and right back on I will re-calibrate. If you have an electronic scale that is fluctuating check the line that the scales is plugged into for other equipment on the line. Light bulbs, florecent lighting and such will cause the scales to fluctuate.
I wish I good enough to blame missed shots on other things, but.....
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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PaulS...We are friends...Just not that good of friends to give you my 5-0-5 RCBS...I often wonder why some people have so much trouble with beem scales. Mine has been in service for over 22 years. About the only thing I do to it for matenance is dust it off on ocassion...
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fnuser Super Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2008 Posts: 914 Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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Bushy - you are so right. I love all three of mine and I am always up for another.
fnuser - I'll take that broken RCBS off your hands and the Pacific too! I know I can build a new foot for both of them and make them usable again. Maybe I can even convert that paddle to a manetic dampener type.
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fnuser Super Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2008 Posts: 914 Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 11:19 am Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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Just p.m. me where to mail it I'm always in need of space but you can't have that pacific it's just weird enough for me to really like it, and it ain't broke yet.
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fnuser Super Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2008 Posts: 914 Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.
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Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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I looked all over that Pacific instruction manual and couldn't find a copyright so I posted it in odds and ends misc as 2 pictures one's a jpg and one's a png wichever is easiest for you to use or look at. But you still can't have the Pacific. The oil reservoir is directly under the pivot. The only picture that really shows it is the 1st page that has the mailing address on it. BUT YOU STILL CAN'T HAVE IT.
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Bushmaster Super Member
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fnuser Super Member
Joined: Dec 23, 2008 Posts: 914 Location: S.W. Missouri, U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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I was trying to be obvious so that he didn't get his hopes up, I hate a tease.
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PaulS Super Member
Joined: Feb 18, 2006 Posts: 4330 Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State
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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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I sent you a PM fnuser....
Let me know if I need to reimburse you.
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DougB Rookie Member
Joined: Apr 23, 2009 Posts: 17 Location: Cadott, WI
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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dust54 wrote: |
Just a quick comment about digital scales. The line voltage used will fluctuate causing some of the fluctuation seen on digital scales. I use digital scales and still have my balance beam (when the electricity goes out I can still reload). I always calibrate the digital scales after allowing 15-20 minute warm up time. Even if I turn the scales off and right back on I will re-calibrate. If you have an electronic scale that is fluctuating check the line that the scales is plugged into for other equipment on the line. Light bulbs, florescent lighting and such will cause the scales to fluctuate.
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I like the idea that I don't have to worry about any of the above with my RCBS 5-0-5. My scale also works at the range without AC or battery power. I have heard that plugging your electronic scale into a power conditioner/surge protector may help.
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shrpshtrjoe Super Red Neck Member
Joined: Jan 26, 2005 Posts: 2965 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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Welcome to the HuntingNut DougB sit and stay awhile
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wallawallaron Rookie Member
Joined: Nov 29, 2009 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Digital scales or balance beam |
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I use Lee powder scoops. Have since 1972 when a friend gave them to me. He bought a scale. Factories use volume not weight. More accurate. Time to read Lee's book. Volume 2 . First one lasted 40 years. Just a way to get people to buy things they don't need. I think you guys are over thinking this loading thing. 270 4064 to the top of the neck add 130 grain on sale bullet and boom. Model shoots less than 1" all day with any type of brass except military 06.
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