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Handloading to be Out-Lawed?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

I saw this on another forum I subscribe to and figured it was worth passing along. Everything after this sentence has been copied and paste.






Ammo Registration



Privately held uncoded ammunition to be destroyed by 2011.

This is very similar what Hitler did. What they did after the revolution in Russia. What Castro did. What Hugo did in Venezuela.



Subject: ammo


The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacturer in a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.



Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!



If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!



This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.



To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to: ammunitionaccountabili...lation.htm



You shooters know this won't work, but lets not let it get started. Write some letters, make some phone calls.


Ammunition Coding System

www.ammocoding.com/index.php


Here Is The Story:

Pass it on as far as possible, these people need to be out of business.



Ammunition Coding System ( www.ammocoding.com/index.php ) was established by three Seattle entrepreneurs to market a technology that would identify any bullet fired from any gun. It involves etching an identifying code onto the base of the bullet, so that after it's recovered from a crime scene, the code can be read by forensic detectives. Their idea is that every box of ammunition sold in the USA would be registered to the purchaser by means of this code, and the fired bullet could thus be linked to the person who bought it. ACS claims that this would be a valuable crime-fighting tool.



Now comes the interesting bit. The founders of ACS have patented their technology, but they can't seem to get any ammunition manufacturers to implement it, apparently because of the costs involved. They've therefore come up with the underhanded, devious scheme to force the use

of their patent, and foist the costs involved onto us – the bullet-buying public.



They've formed an organization called Ammunition Accountability. This organization is nothing more or less than a front for ACS and its founders. It's trying to promote ACS's technology, and is sponsoring legislation in as many States as it can manage, trying to mandate the use of that technology on ammunition sold in those States. So far, no State has passed any law to that effect: but efforts to do so are under way in Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington. If your State isn't listed, don't worry: it'll be coming your way soon!



Key points of their proposed legislation (taken from their Web site) are:

All handgun and "assault weapon" ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after a given date must be coded by the manufacturer. Furthermore, not later than a subsequent date, usually no more than two years after the adoption of the coding requirement, all non-coded ammunition in the possession of businesses or private individuals must

be disposed of.



The State concerned would have to designate or establish an agency to keep track of ammunition sales, and all ammo vendors would have to register with that agency, log the identity of any and every purchaser of ammunition, and supply those details to the agency.



All costs involved would be funded by a levy on the price of ammunition. Their sample legislation gives a proposed figure of $0.005 per round of ammunition. That translates to one-tenth of a cent on a box of 20 rounds, or one-quarter of a cent on a box of 50 rounds.



That levy sounds minor, doesn't it? Suuurre . . . but when you get to crunching the numbers, things start to look rather more rosy for ACS. Current figures are hard to come by, but in 1992, according to an ACS press release, "approximately 5.4 billion bullets were sold in the US

alone." (I understand this excludes military and export sales.) At a rate of $0.005 per bullet, the revenues from sales of such ammunition - if it were coded - would amount to about $27,000,000. The actual figure might well be considerably higher, for two reasons. First, ammo sales have risen since 1992, although I don't know the exact numbers. Second, if you think that ammo manufacturers or retailers are going to bother to put a $0.005 charge per bullet on their books, think again! They'll probably add a dollar or two to the price of each box of ammo, and blame it on the bullet coding costs, while pocketing the extra profit.



So, if we take that 1992 figure of 5.4 billion bullets, and package them into boxes, we'll get a better picture. I'm informed that about two-thirds of retail ammo sales are in 20-round boxes, and one-third in 50-round boxes. If that's the case, applying it to the total number of bullets sold in 1992 gives us sales of about 180 million 20-round boxes, and about 36 million 50-round boxes, or 216 million boxes of ammo in total. If the manufacturers and retailers slap on an extra dollar per box, which I think is very likely, that's $216,000,000 more that you and I will be paying for ammo. How much of it will end up in ACS's pocket is anyone's guess.



We'd also be saddled with another State bureaucracy, gathering information about us. What's the bet that it'll cost more than the ammo levies bring in? And who makes up the shortfall? That's right - you and I, the taxpayers. What about the effect on our privacy? Do you want your personal details recorded every time you buy a box of .22 ammo for plinking? Darned if I do . . .



There you have it. A company wants to impose greater costs, greater State-level government bureaucracy, and an intrusive, privacy-invading tracking system on us, solely for the sake of its own profit. Safety be darned! I'll wager these guys aren't remotely interested in safety.

They can hear the ka-Ching! of cash registers, and their mouths are watering.



In essence, they're trying to persuade our State legislators to force us to make them rich.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Do you have the bill # that is being pushed through?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

DallanC wrote:
Do you have the bill # that is being pushed through?


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This legislation is State not Federal. Each state has their own number. Maybe this will help.

ammunitionaccountabili...lation.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

In Washington state it will only apply to manufactures of ammo for sale or transfer. It needs to be stopped but it doesn't apply to handloaders. I don't see any mention of components needing to be marked, just loaded ammo.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Shoot, I can mark rounds with a Sharpie, that should be good enough...

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

These bills were defeated in Arizona, Connecticut, Illinois, Mississippi, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Tennessee and Washington.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

The merit of reading these proposals is to understand that there are those that sincerely believe in the benefit of such legislation, whether local, state or national. This type of extremist proposal has happened numerous times before, so, some perspective is needed least we become alarmist and over react.

The enormity of the challenges and problems facing the evolving world and our nation far exceed the immediacy of draconian firearms legislation. At least for now. Still, a watchful eye is important.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Like Handloader said.

If I were to get all upset, about everything that every idiot brought up, I would go off the deep end, by noon every day.

Some things are worth getting upset about, but as I age, I have come to realize to choose when I should be upset very carefully. Very Happy

Say Handloader, what do you think of my PT1911 deal, or don't you care for semi-autos??

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Hey Guys,

In South Carolina the Bill Number is S. 1259, here's a link www.scstatehouse.gov/s...s/1259.htm

I get upset over every bill affecting guns, their ownership, and ammunition, and I bet there are a lot of folks who didn't get upset who no longer have the privilege of gun ownership.

I think the few minutes it would take to contact your state legislatures to express your views on the Second Amendment and the current bills would not be a waste of time. I do it daily, for more than just firearms. With the inter-net it is easy enough to do. Further there are lots of organization who will alert you to current efforts by our (USA) government to take our liberties away from us. If you want the names of some of these organization, contact me by email, and I will send you the ones I subscribe to. Every freedom lost is one step closer to anarchy, and Socialism. Don't believe me take a history lesson.

I also think ( I am probably preaching to the choir here) that we all need to support the NRA, and Gun Owners of America, and any other national, or grassroots organization that fights for our rights as described in the Second Amendment, and all the other Amendments.

Sorry, if I am being a pain in the A__, but every inch they gain makes it easier to take our FREEDOM away from us.

Fight now, rest later.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

I have no crystal ball telling me what will happen next year. But, those of us who voted for BO and other Democrats to get some "change" are sure going to get some. Unfortunately, so wll the rest of us!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

ElyBoy wrote:
Like Handloader said.

If I were to get all upset, about everything that every idiot brought up, I would go off the deep end, by noon every day.

Some things are worth getting upset about, but as I age, I have come to realize to choose when I should be upset very carefully. Very Happy

Say Handloader, what do you think of my PT1911 deal, or don't you care for semi-autos??

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I resemble that..Don't shoot the Messenger, and I do get upset with anything that might take away my rights.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Not shooting the messenger at all Glockman.
My first sentence said that I agree with what Handloader said.

I just choose not to listen to Sean Hannity every day on the radio, because I would get upset, even though I agree with him.

I'm also as up to date with everything that goes on as anybody else, and I'm willing to bet, more that most.

I just choose, in my old age, not to get upset over everything. Very Happy Very Happy

I've been involved it State Politics for forty years, and have come to realize that politicians come up with all sorts of boneheaded ideas and bills. Can't get upset about it. Just make sure to defeat it.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

I hear ya Eric, 40 years of Politics? I understand. Just jerking your chain a bit, take care

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Just imagine, placing barcodes on your cast bullets
Then get them registered.. Bang Head Yuck

Bwahahahaha Nuts They got to be insane just thinking of it. Insane

hmm.. I read a bit more and found out that you aint got the right to cast them bullets too..
gah.. like.. of course this will work.. NOT!

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Handloading to be Out-Lawed? Reply with quote

Glockman,

My Wife hates politics, and sometimes gets her belly full of mine. [Especially sense I have all three of our kids, nice little Redneck Conservatives]
All three can argue their points. [And win]
Wife is a Teacher [and Union Sad ]

I never get upset with a spirited argument with an informed adversary.

My Wife tends to start fuming Very Happy Very Happy when I use the word Pinkos Very Happy Very Happy which I use quite often around her Laughing Laughing

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