Bushmaster wrote:

One other thing...We don't talk like that about our president. Even if we do not like him or his ideas or plans. Please refrain from anything even bordering on threats to the U.S. President...Please.

Thanks BushMaster!!!!
Very well said. Like him or not.

To the MODS - This post needs to disappear.
Please be VERY careful about what you write here or elsewhere on the internet now that Obama is president-elect (lower case used intentionally). It is all monitored and key words automatically pop the message out to be evaluated as to whether the author and his associates may be a threat. The Secret Service and Homeland Security are going to very busy.................

Some cannot see how their ideas will be taken by outsiders, or perhaps do not care how recreational shooters are perceived by the general population.

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TWO MEN INDICTED BY FEDERAL GRAND JURY FOR VIOLATIONS OF FEDERAL

FIREARMS LAWS AND MAKING THREATS AGAINST A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

MEMPHIS, TENN.- Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Arkansas indicted today by a Federal Grand Jury announced Lawrence J. Laurenzi, Acting United States Attorney for the Western District of Tennessee, James M. Cavanaugh, Special Agent in Charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives-Nashville Field Division, and Richard Harlow, Special Agent in Charge of the United States Secret Service-Memphis Field Office. Cowart and Schlesselman were charged with seven counts of federal law violations including Conspiracy to Rob a Federal Firearms Licensee, Conspiracy to Transport and Transportation of a Firearm Across State Lines with the Intent to Commit A Crime, Conspiracy to Transport and Transportation of a Short Barreled Shotgun Across State Lines, Possession of a Short Barreled Shotgun, and Making a Threat Against a Major Candidate for the Office of President of the United States.

“The indictment against defendants Cowart and Schlesselman alleges several violations of federal firearms laws and threats against a presidential candidate,” said Lawrence J. Laurenzi, Acting United States Attorney for the Western District of Tennessee. “This is an ongoing investigation.”

According to the indictment, Cowart and Schlesselman conspired with each other, using the internet for over a month, to steal firearms from a gun store. The indictment states that Cowart had photos of and a floor plan of a firearms store in Madison County, Tennessee and that it was the intent of the defendants to rob this store in order to obtain weapons to support a plan for further robberies and a killing spree.

The indictment alleges that Schlesselman sawed off the barrel to a shotgun and transported it as well as other weapons and ammunition across State lines when Cowart picked up Schlesselman from Arkansas. The indictment further alleges that the two defendants also went to two pawn shops and to Walmart where they purchased additional ammunition, rope, and ski masks to help them in their robberies and killing spree.

As further noted in the indictment, the two defendants, on separate occasions made threats to kill Barack Obama, a major candidate for the Office of the President of the United States. According to the Affidavit of Complaint filed earlier in this case, these threats were made as a culmination to the defendants’ plan of a killing spree.

Count One of the indictment carries a penalty of up to five years in prison. Counts Two through Five each carry a penalty of up to 10 years in prison. The charge of Making a Threat Against a Presidential Candidate carries a penalty of up to five years in prison.

This case is being investigated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the United States Secret Service, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Crockett County Sheriff’s Office.


www.atf.gov/press/2008...dicted.htm

K.W. wrote:

Hello fellows. There was pentition to Finlands Minister of the Interior. Many peole will to forbid handgus shorter than 23,5". Ihave 6 handguns, but only one is ok. It is T/C Contender .357 Rem Max 14" barrell with silencer. The silencer must to weld to the barrell. Autsch, I have one moor "legal hand gun" too: T/C Contender pistol with .223Rem 21"-long carbine barell. I am not certain, must I to laugh or cry.

This is sad to hear.
We have ended up with similar ridiculous "handguns" over here:

Minimum 12" (30cm) barrel.
Minimum 24" (60cm) overall length.
Revolvers only, except in .22rf.

There is no evidence whatsoever that these laws have done anything to reduce criminal use of firearms - possibly to the contrary.

You know why the restrictions don't stop the criminals?

Criminals don't obey the laws we have - why should they bother to obey any new laws?

You cannot legislate to criminals or prevent crime. All you can do is give people the choices and then prosecute those who break the law. We already have laws to prosecute crimes-restricting guns only affects law abiding citizens.
Even God doesn't prevent us from going against His law, who the heck do our lawmakers think they are?

God?? Well they know better then we do...Don't they?

to jeh7mmmag,

thanks for the heads up, at home we always talk about
how the goverment knows everything and will find out
if u say something foolish like i did but i just didnt think
about it at that moment.

ty and i pray for america that obama proves
me wrong and turns out to be a good president.

Dan

Weinbender,
Thanks and no problem. I am sure we all saw it as a joke among friends and no harm was ever meant. It is very easy to get too comfortable around the internet campfire and forget who is watching us nowdays.

Only in their minds Bushy.... Only in their minds.

I have actually had a "liberal" tell me that he was better "qualified" to decide how I should live my life than I was...