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"Recipe"? Give me a break.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

Note: minor rant of little consequence.

Some often use the word "recipe" when describing load data. What moron decided to use that word? When did this word begin to be used, as I can't find it in any of the older manuals or reference books?

Recipe, when used for food, is fine. It conjurs the vision of women in their kitchens fumbling around in the recipe box and sharing their special ones with koffee klatch friends. Recipe has a feminine connotation and its useage in reloading is far too politically correct. It is often the word of choice for those new to reloading and studiously avoided by experienced reloaders.

In Arizona, we were inundated with TV weather reporters that changed the name of summer thunderstorms to "monsoon" and tried to perpetrate the change of duststroms to "haboobs", although no one picked that one up. Gone are the words "waitress", "waiter" and "mailman", along with "garbage man" and hundreds of other perfectly adequate and descriptive words only to be replaced with words and titles more vague.

In the handloading clinics I operate, dismissal will occur if anyone starts babbling about "recipes"! Out, out, out.

Thanks for listening. I feel better now and will sleep well tonight.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

ok fair enough. I prefer to hear roll your own...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

I don't have a problem with "recipe." What I have a problem with is "caliber." They ask, what "caliber" should I buy. It used to be that caliber just meant bore diameter. Now, by stupid convention, it has come to mean a cartridge.

The cat is long gone out of the bag and I know this will never be turned around.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:11 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

I agree ,but you forgot old people became ''senior citizens '' and the best term for handloaders is ''incurable and crazy shooters'' .Or is it cheapskate ?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

Ah, the nuances of the perpetually changing English language. Some of these words, along with their meanings will go by the way-side, as did buggy whip manufacturers.

Who was it that sung that country song, that included the lyrics "When coke was soda" and "gay meant happy," or something to that nature.

Cary

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

Yeh...And a "fag" was a cigarette. Handloader...If it will make you feel any better I assemble components to complete an end product.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

I gotta agree, using "caliber" when you mean "cartridge" is kind of sloppy language. "Caliber" on big, naval guns refers to barrel length, doesn't it? As in "5 inch 38 caliber" being a 5" bore with a barrel 190" long. I think I'll start calling my .220 Swift a ".224 inch 116 caliber" ... Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

And the real BIG guns are just 16 inch...I'll just use .45ACP. Everyone knows what I'm talkin'about...

5" 38 means the barrel is 38 calibers long (5" X 38 = 190" long)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

OntheLasGallinas wrote:
Who was it that sung that country song, that included the lyrics "When coke was soda" and "gay meant happy," or something to that nature.

Tim Mcgraw "Back When"

Can be viewed here:

www.youtube.com/watch?...re=related

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

Bushmaster wrote:
Yeh...And a "fag" was a cigarette. Handloader...If it will make you feel any better I assemble components to complete an end product.

Yes, yes. I feel much better now. Or, is it the upcoming quail hunt?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

While I understand and appreciate your disdain for the term, I do not find it an innaccurate description of the handloading process.

You have a list of ingredients and a set of instructions on how they should be combined to achieve the desired results. If you substitute an ingredient or leave a step out of the procedure or perform the step out of order, the finished product is not what you were supposed to get.

Not too far from what we do in the pharma business when we make drugs. We even sometimes call it cookbook chemistry when we are writing manufacturing procedures.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

Always have to have one logical person around...Oh...Hi Dawgdad. How ya doin'?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

I am just fine Bushy... Ready to mount up and take a ride this evening.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

George Carlin did a whole bit about the way we've changed words over the years to make them more "P.C." It's pretty great, I'll look it up on youtube and stick it on here.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: "Recipe"? Give me a break. Reply with quote

What a damn fine idea Mango.

I know that the English language is falling apart over here...and people are complaining about the loss of aussie colloquialisms from our language and being replaced by "yank speak".

Whichever way you look at it...its all political correctness gone crazy.

(love mangoes...they grow wild over here...yum)

Cheers, Vince

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