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SingleShotLover Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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Like Bushmaster, I think you would be happier with the 30/06 given the uses you outline. The '06 can toss bullets of the same weight 150-200 fps faster than the .308. Though a great cartridge, the .308 pretty much tops out with the 180-grain bullets while the 30/06 can even use custom bullets up to 250 grains if you really wanted to.
If you are really intent on the .308, I would concentrate on the premium bullets such as Barnes, Nosler and etc. for penetration and expansion while allowing you to use bullets in the 150-grain range that will perform like heavier bullets.
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phill21 Member
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phill21 Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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I can stand the pain if you stand the screaming
I don't think it will kick more than a 300 win mag? my mate uses.
phil
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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It shouldn't kick more.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11390 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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Well Dimitri...If you are well meated maybe not, but us bony guys...Well...
Yup...As long as it's you who is doin' the screamin' I'm O K with it ...And nope...The .300 Win Mag will top the .30-06. I flat enjoy my Browning A-bolt. After 20 rounds down range I sometimes have second thoughts though...
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 1486 Location: Miles City, Montana
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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Felt recoil would have been my only argument for the 308 in the heavier bullet weights.
Over 165 gr, the 308 loses ground FAST,and since the game you're seekin seems to require heavy boolits the '06 seems to be the only way to go...
A 300 Win Mag WILL announce it's presence, specially sittin at the bench. If'n you can fire the 300, you SHOULD be OK with an '06.
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 1486 Location: Miles City, Montana
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Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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Dimitri wrote: |
It shouldn't kick more.
Dimitri |
It does....
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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The 30-06 kicks wore then the 300 WIN MAG ??
Comparing similar weight/actions of course.
Dimitri
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OntheLasGallinas Super Member
Joined: Aug 23, 2007 Posts: 1042 Location: South Texas
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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I'm ok with the screaming, I'm half deaf anyway; something to do with listening to tractor engines my whole life. So, go ahead and scream.
The 30-06 does kick a little harder than the 300 Win, especially with the heaver loads.
I don't think the 06 can hold a candle to the 300 Win Mag in that category.
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SingleShotLover Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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I'm with Dimitri on this. With all other things being equal (rifle weight, bullet weight) and working at top performance levels, the .300 Winchester will produce around 11 foot-pounds of recoil energy over the 30/06. The increase in velocity and the amount of powder used results in greater recoil. Recoil energy is a product of velocity, pressure and bullet weight (powder weight is included since it also acts as ejecta) attenuated by the weight of the respective firearm. You can run a quick check by crunching the numbers through Point Blank.
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ElyBoy Super Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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With two rifles, that weight the same, the .300WinMag will kick more.
However I'm wondering if one of the Light Model 70's would punch you more than the .300.
With a super-light gun, you have to expect more recoil.
I'm with the guys who say the the .300WinMag will no doubt give you more recoil, unless, you go Super Light with the 30-06.
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hunterjoe21 Super Member
Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Posts: 1486 Location: Miles City, Montana
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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Dimitri wrote: |
It shouldn't kick more.
Dimitri |
I guess I interpreted that incorrectly the first time I read it...
I thought you meant the '06 didn't kick more than the .308...
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: 308 vs 30 06 |
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