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winchester model 70 30-06
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Dimitri
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: winchester model 70 30-06 Reply with quote

Got to love:

armscollectors.com/

All sorts of firearms serial number ranges. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: winchester model 70 30-06 Reply with quote

Thanks! I went to the web site and it gave me a date of 1940!
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: winchester model 70 30-06 Reply with quote

madmike wrote:
Thanks! I went to the web site and it gave me a date of 1940!
Thanks agian,
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: winchester model 70 30-06 Reply with quote

Weinbender...I did...You just didn't see it. That's all. Didn't I madmike??

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: winchester model 70 30-06 Reply with quote

I was waiting for someone to get the nomenclature of the 06 correct. D, you almost got it:

The first 30 Government round was also known as the 30 Army, it was the 30-40 Kraig. The 30-40 was never a black powder cartridge by the way.

The second 30 Govt round was the 30-03 which we would recognize as a slightly shorter 30-06 with a 220 grain round nose bullet. This round was adopted in 1903.

The 30-06 is actually the third 30 caliber round as designated by the word Govt, it signifies the original 150 grain flat base spitzer bullet adopted with slightly longer cartridge, in the year 1906. Later, after WWII the bullet was changed to 173gr.

Into the 1930s and 40s the cartridge was known as the 30 Govt 06. Which is the indication that the chamber was cut to use the spitzer bullet. Later but simeltanious, the cartridge became known to the public for it's most famous rifle, the 1903 A3 Springfield. Still later it bacame just the 30-06 or the 06. It is perhaps the best know American cartridge in the world.

The 30-06 came from the Springfield Arsenal and Aberdeen as did the 03 Springfield rifle. It is simply the 8mm Mauser in a 30 caliber configuration. The 03 Springfield is a 98K with a few external mods. The US Govt did not want to build German guns under license, so they just borrowed the two designs and proclaimed a new design. It is sorta an American "if you don't like it sue me" type of deal. Mauser sued.....yeh, well.

It is fitting today that the two cartridges are still very popular. I too own a 33xxx pre war Mdl 70 that is marked 30 Govt 06 it was made in 1941 and in its sporter stock is pictured in my gallery.
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