HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: tims
New Today: 1
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 12624

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 277
BOT: 1
Total: 278
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Albums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums
05: Forums
06: Forums
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Forums
11: Your Account
12: Forums
13: Your Account
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Forums
21: Forums
22: Forums
23: Your Account
24: Forums
25: Forums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Photo Albums
31: Forums
32: Your Account
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Forums
38: Forums
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Photo Albums
44: Forums
45: Your Account
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Your Account
49: Photo Albums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Your Account
54: Forums
55: Forums
56: Forums
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Forums
61: Forums
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Your Account
65: Forums
66: Forums
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Your Account
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Photo Albums
81: Forums
82: Forums
83: Forums
84: Your Account
85: Forums
86: Forums
87: Forums
88: Forums
89: Forums
90: Photo Albums
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Forums
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Forums
98: Forums
99: Forums
100: Forums
101: Forums
102: Forums
103: Forums
104: Your Account
105: Forums
106: Forums
107: Forums
108: Forums
109: Forums
110: Forums
111: Forums
112: Forums
113: Your Account
114: Photo Albums
115: Forums
116: Your Account
117: Forums
118: Forums
119: Forums
120: Your Account
121: Forums
122: Forums
123: Your Account
124: Photo Albums
125: Forums
126: Your Account
127: Your Account
128: Forums
129: Forums
130: Forums
131: Forums
132: Photo Albums
133: Forums
134: Your Account
135: Forums
136: Forums
137: Forums
138: Your Account
139: Forums
140: Forums
141: Forums
142: Forums
143: Your Account
144: Photo Albums
145: Forums
146: Forums
147: Forums
148: Photo Albums
149: Forums
150: Forums
151: Forums
152: Forums
153: Forums
154: Forums
155: Forums
156: Forums
157: Forums
158: Photo Albums
159: Forums
160: Forums
161: Forums
162: Forums
163: Your Account
164: Forums
165: Photo Albums
166: Your Account
167: Forums
168: Forums
169: Forums
170: Forums
171: Forums
172: Forums
173: Your Account
174: Forums
175: Photo Albums
176: Forums
177: Forums
178: Forums
179: Forums
180: Forums
181: Forums
182: Forums
183: Forums
184: Forums
185: Forums
186: Forums
187: Forums
188: Your Account
189: Forums
190: Forums
191: Forums
192: Your Account
193: Forums
194: Your Account
195: Forums
196: Forums
197: Forums
198: Forums
199: Forums
200: Forums
201: Forums
202: Forums
203: Your Account
204: Photo Albums
205: Photo Albums
206: Forums
207: Your Account
208: Forums
209: Forums
210: Photo Albums
211: Forums
212: Forums
213: Forums
214: Forums
215: Your Account
216: Forums
217: Forums
218: Forums
219: Your Account
220: Your Account
221: Forums
222: Forums
223: Forums
224: Forums
225: Forums
226: Forums
227: Forums
228: Forums
229: Forums
230: Forums
231: Forums
232: Forums
233: Forums
234: Forums
235: Forums
236: Forums
237: Forums
238: Forums
239: Forums
240: Forums
241: Your Account
242: Forums
243: Forums
244: Photo Albums
245: Forums
246: Forums
247: Photo Albums
248: Forums
249: Your Account
250: Forums
251: Forums
252: Photo Albums
253: Forums
254: News
255: Your Account
256: Forums
257: Your Account
258: Forums
259: Forums
260: Forums
261: Forums
262: Forums
263: Your Account
264: Photo Albums
265: Forums
266: Forums
267: Your Account
268: Your Account
269: Forums
270: Forums
271: Your Account
272: Forums
273: Forums
274: Forums
275: Your Account
276: Home
277: Photo Albums
  BOT:
01: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 305
 Pictures: 2362
  · Views: 450558
  · Votes: 1310
  · Comments: 86
 

Support our Advertisers

Best Concealed Handgun
Discussion that doesnt fit other Topics
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » General

View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
munky871
Rookie Member
Rookie Member


Joined: Feb 09, 2007
Posts: 1

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:12 pm    Post subject: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

I have all my paperwork done to get my concealed weapons permit here in Oregon, but I don't have anything smaller than a 357 Mag. I'm wondering what would be a good and small self defense gun. I'm looking to spend no more than 4 or 5 hundred bucks. And again, I want something small. Also, I plan on getting a laser for it. So what would be a good small gun that I wouldn't have trouble getting add ons for?
Back to top
View user's profile
1895ss
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 21, 2005
Posts: 2613
Location: Not Here...!!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

Welcome aboard munky871, I'm sure someone will be able to answer that for you. We don't have those privileges here.

_________________
A cruel truth is much more desirable than a really nice lie.
'Tis far better to walk alone than to follow a crowd or an a**hole going the wrong way.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
george20042007
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 568
Location: Arizona

PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

Welcome munky871. There is another forum on CCW I started a while back. It would be in your best interest to read what some have had to say before you go shopping.

Let me say this, carrying concealed puts you in the up close and personal combat mode. If you have to pull your gun, the distance won't be that great (less than ten yards) and a laser really isn't needed. As for caliber, bigger is better, but, bigger calibers end up being bigger guns, making it difficult to conceal. I settled on the 380 auto for most of the year. In the winter months when I can wear more clothes, I do carry a 1911 style 45 ACP. That's just a few months out of the year though. It gets hot around here and little clothing is worn, that's where the 380 auto comes in handy. I have a KELTEC P3AT on me most of the time, and a SIG SAUER P232 for other times when clothing permits. The KELTEC is under $300 and weighs 6 ounces, lots of cops have them as backup guns. There is some really good personal defense ammo available in 380 auto, so, don't think your at a disadvantage.

Everyone will have their own opinions, but, what ever you settle on, practice, practice, practice. Practice drawing, shooting without aiming, and from a sitting position (like from a table or from behind the wheel of your car). And, don't forget to develop the proper mind set.
Keep it coming...
Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address
PaulS
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Posts: 3546
Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:15 am    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

I have two carry pistols but the one that I carry most often is a six inch 357 magnum. The other one is a single shot 45 colt derringer that can be carried when it is necessary to conceal a gun with minimal clothes. I don't like the small cartridges or their performance so I don't choose to carry anything smaller than the 357 mag. 38+p and 9mm are identical in ballistics and they are too low powered for my tastes. the 380,25s and 22s are worthless in my opinion. The problem is that the 6 inch 357 is as big as I can carry and have any hope of concealing it. I don't trust autos - never had one that would fire every time. My only choices in autos would be the 10mm, 45ACP, and 50 caliber. In wheel guns which I prefer are 357, 41, 44, 45, and 454. The 44 and 454 are too much gun for me to shoot often enough to get good with and the 45 is a bit underpowered unless you have a Ruger (mine is not). The 41 is ok but I don't have one and I probably won't ever get one. That leaves me with the two that I do carry. I am a lot more comfortable with my 357 than any of my other guns. It is accurate and I can use it instinctively.
The really important thing about the gun that you choose to carry is to get so used to shooting it that it is an extension of your hand. You should be able to hit a man in the middle of his mass in near total darkness without aiming up to 7 yards. You should get used to using a double tap - two rounds check for any movement and go from there. Being absolutely sure that your gun will hit where you want it to is the most important thing in a carry gun. You have to shoot it a lot at different ranges to become sure of your gun. If it fails to fire - even once you can be in real trouble so make sure that it never misses a beat.

_________________
Paul
__________________
Speer, Lyman, Hodgdon, Sierra, and Hornady = reliable loading data
So and So's pages on the internet = NOT reliable loading data
Always check data against manuals
NEVER exceed maximum listed loads
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 10568
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

Winter carry S&W Mod 19 .357 Combat Magnum. Summer carry is a firestar 9mmX19. If and when I replace the Firestar it will be a Kahr in 9mmX19 or .40. They are flat and have little to hang up on clothing. You carry what you can hide on your body. If I had a bigger body I would carry my Colt 1911 .45 ACP...

You must be very good with what ever you carry. Practice, practice, practice. In a pinch you want everything to come automatically and be driven by your subcontious...

Read well what George and Paul have posted...

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
1895ss
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 21, 2005
Posts: 2613
Location: Not Here...!!

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

I knew you would get some good advice. These guys know what they're talking about....... Smile

_________________
A cruel truth is much more desirable than a really nice lie.
'Tis far better to walk alone than to follow a crowd or an a**hole going the wrong way.
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Crackshot
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Oct 23, 2005
Posts: 1693
Location: Mich

PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

Glock 10mm, or a 1911 45acp Kimber or what ever manufacture you prefer.

_________________
The human mind is the weapon, the gun is just one of its tools.
Back to top
View user's profile ICQ Number AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
Arron
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cen.Iowa, by way of SWIowa

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:02 am    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

I agree with everyone else. However there are some other things to be taken into consideration. What is the area you will be in most of the time? Urban areas and suburban areas do not lend them selves to magnum level cartridges as the possibility of a through and through hit will stop somewhere uninteded is NOT GOOD, but if you are rural or remote then they will be a great choice. And .45 Colt rounds with anything from a 225gr SilverTip up to the 250-260 class lead bullets will pack a mighty big wallop. Now if the meanest thing you are going to encounter is a ticked off house cat then a .22LR is all you need, but if the meanest badest thing you may run into is a big bear then you need something a little bigger. Bottom line is have the defensive firearm with you and have confidence in it (function and accuracy with power) to get the job you want done, done.
Back to top
View user's profile
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 10568
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

I talked to my local Deputy Sheriff the other day (who was more then glad to answer the question) what ammunition he was issued. His department researched this problem and came up with (they all have 9mmX19 Kahr) Federal Supreme-Shok (fragmentable) in the first magazine (for schools and other crouded places) and Federal Hydro-Shok in all other magazines. As I have never been that impressed with fragmentable rounds and I still haven't found a source for them (Supreme-Shok) and even Federal's web site doesn't show them. I have been using Federal Hydro-Shoks. If you look at the ballistics for any self defense round you will find the chances of it going completely through and through is very high. There is no getting around this fact of life when carrying.

Even using the fragmentable rounds if you hit an arm or any other thin part of the person even they (fragmentables) will go through and through...

Welcome to the site Arron...Oh...And By The Way...You haven't met my "Missouri Barn Cat"...

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
4rum
Member
Member


Joined: Jan 06, 2007
Posts: 211

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

If you want to put an assailant down, research and purchase Black Talon.

I think it's now sold as 'Ranger' under these #'s RA45T or RA45TP.
Back to top
View user's profile
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 10568
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

Black Talons are over-rated just like their name that got them into trouble in the first place. They don't act or perform any different then a good mushrooming bullet. They (contrary to popular belief) are not a buzz saw when they hit something like tissue. In fact they tend to fragment a bit. A lot of "Media Hype" and Olin/Winchester add campain...

It was a sales gimic that ended up in Winchester having to remove them from the market...

Not that they aren't a good choice, but just too hard to find when there are too many other excellent bullets out there, to have to hunt all over he-double-toothpicks to find... Smile

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
Morax
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 18, 2006
Posts: 618
Location: Pittsburgh Pa

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

buddy of mine has a .357 and a box of talons, went to the range, they acted like a cheap hollow point in my opinion.. he was all kinda geeked cause "these are black talons" i turned around pulled some gold dots out and said here check these... he was at the store buying them up the next day...
Back to top
View user's profile
4rum
Member
Member


Joined: Jan 06, 2007
Posts: 211

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

I've also read the writers reports about hydra-shoks punching out a ball of clothing, acting like a hardball and not opening at all. I'll take a little fragmentation. I have done tissue tests with both. If my carcass depended on actual performance rather than a perception given me by someone else... I'll take the Black Talons.
Back to top
View user's profile
Arron
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 20, 2006
Posts: 351
Location: Cen.Iowa, by way of SWIowa

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

You will notice I said "Housecat", but I have two that make people jump when they see them one is a big old black cat named Rudy(born on Christmas), and the other Misha(we were watching Enemy at the Gates and the wife wanted to give the two new cats Rusian type names, the other Sasha is about 9 pounds) who is a tabby cat, both are WELL over twelve pounds. HA HA. As far your Missouri Barn Cat is concerned if it is Bobcat or even a Cougar then we got those up here too! For them I like smething a "bit" larger than a .22LR HA HA!! But If that is all I had then I would sure as heck make darn sure I made em' count, I am not a pilgrim and I do NOT skin Grizz!!! HA HA HA!!!

I have been here a time or two but mostly lurk and read other's posts to see what I can learn.

As far the through and through problem it is very likely it will happen with any of the higher velocity cartridges in a hollow point design if they get material in the opening the SXT or Same eXact Thing" as the Talon bullets are notorious for this in the 180gr bullet design. But the heavier the bullet and/or more velocity the more likely it will happen. But for some reason you don't hear of it too often with the big old blackpowder type cartridges as much; this could be due to the fact that most folks do not think them capable of performing as well as the newer aged cartridges and the fact what they are chambered in are big single action wheel guns for the most part so that could be a big factor in them being over looked. While most of us who deal with this on a regular basis know different.

Right now in my 9x19 I have some really potent Hirtenberger +P+ 124gr or maybe 115gr's not sure right at the moment, FMJ's made for the MP5's(yes it is safe, Hi-Point.) Now if those DO NOT do a through and through then I will be very disapointed. These are not my first choice but are what I have right now for a "defensive" type round for the 9x19 but I need to get some true PD rounds for it maybe a trip down to the south side of town to Bass Pro tomorrow is in order for more AMMO!!! I have shot some 165gr Golden Sabre in my .40 and it was a handfull but I would have NO QALMS about this for my defensive round. Personal favorite is a Hydra-Shok or in the case of my 10mm a Winchester 175gr SilverTip and or any Hornady Custom load. The rest just depends on what I am going to be doing and where I am going ot be doing it. Now if the claims of the Extreme Shock fragibles are to be taken for truth, that is one incredible design of cartridge makers magic! But they are EXTREMELY EXSPENSIVE!!! But most good ammunition is.

I have to look up AVA, MO. Now I feel a challenge for a "big cat fight" might just have to see if Rudy could pull it off, Misha is about a weakling unless you are messing with his favorite stuffed dog that he sleeps on and guards from even me! HE HE HE HE!!!

Like I said said carry what you think is best suited for the task that you are confident in for dealing with the problem. Somedays if I could I would mount a 155mm on the Sable for driving in Omaha, NE the folks on the west side of the Misouri River can get real mean!!
Back to top
View user's profile
Dimitri
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 25, 2005
Posts: 5906

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Concealed Handgun Reply with quote

Just a note the Ranger SXT's are the ones that are Black Talons but Winchester wouldn't sell them to non-LEO's, the SXT's that were just sold to the public were slightly different. Smile

Dimitri

_________________
A thousand hills, but no birds in flight, ten thousand paths, with no people's tracks. A lonely boat, a straw-hatted old man, fishing alone in the cold river snow.
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » General
Page 1 of 3
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.