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Neck sizing question
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:01 am    Post subject: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

Morning everyone!

Well, I've been gone for awhile, but am back!

I just started neck sizing with a Lee Collett die for my .22 Hornet, and will start on my .223 after I get through the brass I full-length sized.

Since I have been FLR for the last 20 or so years, and just started Neck Sizing, I am going to ask a dumb question.

Do you treat the Neck Sized cases the same way as you do a Full-Length Resized ones as far as case trimming? My Hornet cases were all under the Max OAL, so I did not worry about it, but want to know for the future.

Once again, I'm glad to be back! This forum is the most friendly, laid back, bunch I have ever been around!

Make it a great day!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

The short answer is yes although neck sized cases will not grow in length as much as full length resized cases.

You mention a 223 - if you are reloading for a semiauto like an AR15, you really should always full length resize to insure ejection. If it is for a bolt gun, neck sizing is fine.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

Guncollector:

Thanks for your response--kinda thought I should!

How many times do you neck size before doing a full-length resize? When it starts chambering hard?

Most of my shooting is under actual hunting conditions, mostly coyote calling. I want my rifles to be as accurate as possible, but don't want to lose a coyote or bobcat due to my own ammunition not chambering properly!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

As far as when to FLR, You have answered your own question. When they get hard to chamber, it's time to think about it. It will vary by gun and how "hot" the load is as to how many times. I have a 308 Stevens that I have neck sized the cases for as many as 5 times before needing to FLR. The load I shoot in it is very light, though. There is still some metal flow to the neck, so I make sure I trim the necks each time I shoot a batch. I like to have all my cases exactly the same, so I trim even though I may only take .001-.002" off some of them. I try to find the shortest cases and trim to that.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

I do it the same way as Blaine. It might be a small waste of time to trim the overall length every resizing but it might just also be the little bit of accuracy you need on a long shot.

On a 270Win, I get at least 10 neck sizings out of a case before I need to FLR. On some magnum cartridges maybe only 3.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

I have some cases I've neck sized dozens of times without needing to full length size. I only size down the first third of the neck though. The only problem you might have is if the case shoulders get blown out which will happen occasionally the neck dies will not bump them back like a full length sizer. Best wishes.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

I have cases that I have loaded more times than most will load a case without ever full length sizing. I size as much of the neck that I have to to hold the bullet - it varys from caliber to caliber and depends a lot on the bullet weight but I never touch the shoulder junction. I can do this because I load mid range loads for accuracy over velocity every time. My 30-'06 load is a 165 grain BTSP at 2675 fps from a 24 inch barrel. I load these by neck sizing, depriming, run it through the trimmer (a useless exercise), clean, prime, charge and sink a bullet on top. I have omitted some lubing, cleaning steps but that is all I need to do after the cases are prepared and fired the first time. If you don't over work the brass, with your loads or sizing, the brass pretty much stays the same size and doesn't grow. If I load hot I can immediately see the difference as the cases need trimming and begin to show the signs of stretching in length. I just don't need that extra 100 fps to kill the game I am aiming at. What I do demand is sub MOA accuracy. If a rifle won't shoot sub MOA I don't keep it long enough to call it mine. Surprisingly enough I have only had two guns that I could not get to shoot in that category. One was an SKS - I severly modified that one and the other was a 30-30 Marlin with microgroove barrel that was so shot out you could push a 308 diameter bullet from chamber to muzzle with a wood dowel. It has gone to the place that shot out rifles go - I just hope the one who bought it put a barrel on it. I am not a big fan of lightweight 30-30's with hard butt plates. I swear it kicked worse than my 30-'06!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

except for my ar all i do is neck size. i use the lee collett in 223 and 22-250 one thing that i have found,i hit low about 2 inches after i full lengh size, once the cases are fire formed again, impact goes back to where i originaly had it.i dont know if this has happend with other loaders or not,but good to know before taking a 300yd shot at a coyote
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

Thanks for all of the help! I should be getting my Lee Collet die from Midway today.

Do any of you notice a different POI from full-length sized to neck sized in the same gun? I obviously will shoot to see where I am hitting after I reload the neck sized rounds, but just wanted some more input before I go out and start re-zeoring.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

Yottee, I get the same thing with new brass before I "fireform" them to my chamber. Must be internal volumn etc...? Just did a small bunch of 243s that were all low and not grouping very well.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

Just bought a set of Redding dies for my .220 Swift and it is the deluxe set with a neck sizing die. Do I need to lube the cases when using neck sizer?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

You could probably get by without any lubrication but I would suggest a dry lube like Mica. MidwayUSA and others have kits to lubricate the inside and outside of the neck for neck sizing.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

So I am assuming that the actual case does not need to be lubed, only the neck area? Wasn't sure if the case wall touched the die or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:46 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

yottee wrote:
except for my ar all i do is neck size. i use the lee collett in 223 and 22-250 one thing that i have found,i hit low about 2 inches after i full lengh size, once the cases are fire formed again, impact goes back to where i originaly had it.i dont know if this has happend with other loaders or not,but good to know before taking a 300yd shot at a coyote

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Yottee, I get the same thing with new brass before I "fireform" them to my chamber. Must be internal volumn etc...? Just did a small bunch of 243s that were all low and not grouping very well.

Hm, this is an interesting thought. It might just account for some erratic groups.......I know I can't be to blame Shocked .

Seriously though, it is something that I will now take into account when doing load development/testing.

Thanks for the info guys.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Neck sizing question Reply with quote

isd68, actually that is a good point. I don't have neck size only die. I just set my fl resizing die to get the top .25 inches of the case without hitting the shoulder. The die actually does "squeeze" the case down just above the webbing. If I didn't use lube it would be bad news........a lot of stuck cases. I assume if I had the neck size only this would not be an issue??
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