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Really considering .300 Whisper
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

Why waste your money building a 300 whisper with .22 lr range capability when there already is a cartridge with the same range capability as the .22 lr and is also a .308. The only thing is it packs a little bit more punch then the .22 lr. I'm talking about the .30-30 winchester. It's cheap, as it should be, and available anywhere. After all it doesn't go anywhere in a hurry so how loud can it be????? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Hiding

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:04 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

gelandangan –

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SO, for an investment of about $800 (about $500 USD I recond) I get a "new" gun.

Now, my questions:
1. Do you think it is a good idea?

In a word, NO - but that is a decision that you have to make for yourself.

For FAR less money you can develop loads with ballistics similar to your goal of a .300 Whisper pushing a 180g bullet at 1100fps. In fact, the total cost might be in powder, primers and bullets.

For starters, go to www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm and look at the data for cast bullets. (Select a cartridge from the list on the left.) If you can’t find something there that will get you started, then I suggest you want the Whisper for its own sake and not just because of what it can do. (Nothing wrong with that.)

One of the loads I developed was for my Marlin .45-70 using a 350g hardcast @ 1091fps. I push it with 13.5g of HS-6. Very accurate, pretty quiet. Haven’t tried these loads on game and don’t intend to, but they are a lot of fun to plink with – even my daughters like them.

For game I would use what you already have and concentrate on clean, one-shot kills.

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

Why not just download the 308 you already own???

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

ogre wrote:
Why not just download the 308 you already own???

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Because in my uneducated shooting experience, I heard that if you have a lot of space in the cartridge, ie. less powder, it may be dangerous and it may blow the gun up in your face. Again I may be wrong.

But, all the points are taken and I will reconsider Smile

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

you could use dacron to fill the empty space for reduced loads. I have never used the technique, only read some on the subject. I guess if done properly it is safe.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

mc223 , I guess so too.. but I cannot rely on guesses.. I have but only one face and right hand and right ear and right eye and...

Until they sells spare parts that fits, I won't risk bodily harm on guesses.
It is way cheaper and less pain to fork out $ 500 USD and do it the way it has been done before.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

I absolutely totally agree on the one face, etc.
Surely there is someone out there that does have a direct reference to the practice of reducing loads and using dacron as a filler. I've reached the age of i know I read it , but where? I'll do a bit more digging in the next few days.

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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

i use dacon/poliester for fireforming and it seems pretty safe if your pretty safe.

look into other powders that fill the case more but give less velocity.
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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 8:29 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook is a good source of cast bullet/low velocity loads for many cartridges, the 308 included.
The Speer manual also gives a low velocity load for the cartridges it lists.
You should be able to load the 308 or the 30/30 to sub sonic levels.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

If you are still interested in the 300 Whisper you can go to www.sskindustries.com and learn more on the Whisper cartridges.
The 300Whisper was designed for use with a silencer for tactical use in city situations and is being used to cull the whitetail deer in some cities by professional hunters. Done at night with red spotlights and the herd(mob) doesn't panic. It is based on the 221 Fireball brass which is a shortened 223-222 case.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

Very Happy Fencing spacedone, have you used pufflon? it actually lines the micro grooves with a graphite like coating. less drag and better balistics. Very Happy i just went on the web again and the website is www.pufflon.com. the stuff is used to take up space when fire forming or just wanting lighter loads. it come in a cylinder about the size of a quaker oats cotainer. stuff really work great. but that my opinion. Dave Razz

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

RugerNo3 wrote:
If you are still interested in the 300 Whisper you can go to www.sskindustries.com and learn more on the Whisper cartridges.
The 300Whisper was designed for use with a silencer for tactical use in city situations and is being used to cull the whitetail deer in some cities by professional hunters. Done at night with red spotlights and the herd(mob) doesn't panic. It is based on the 221 Fireball brass which is a shortened 223-222 case.

Hi RugerNo3

Thank you for your input.

See my posts on
www.huntingnut.com/ind...amp;t=2293
and
www.huntingnut.com/ind...amp;t=2293

I have tested it and found out that I like the 300 Whisper. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

Haven't we had this very same discussion at least once, some time ago? With approximately the same results?

Lotta dough, for what you will get.

It seems like a fascination with the "different" centering around (imho) marginal cartridges, that can't be depended on to provide humane kills beyond a minimum range, keeps driving this.

If you simply Have to have something low powered, why not try a lever gun in .357 magnum, .44-40, or .45 Colt? one of them should do the job fairly well.

For that matter, the plain vanilla uninteresting 30-30 (Can you get that in Oz?) can be loaded down, and is much more effective than the Whisper.

O.K., it is different, will kill a bunny rabbit or maybe something bigger dead up to 75 meters or so, but what do you do with imperfectly placed shots? Let the animal die a lingering, miserable death because of the minimal cartridge/poor shooting? Of course, that is also a problem with poorly shot "standard calibers, too."

A study of handloading manuals will show you some safe, good loads for lower velocities with the standard calibers, all of which will provide humane kills, if well shot, and will offer the added advantage of being able to purchase ammunition in almost any store, even far from the big city.

If recoil is a problem, a proper stock may reduce the felt effects, because standard stocks are designed for the mythical "average man", and those at either end of the height range are sometimes not well served.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

sniper wrote:
For that matter, the plain vanilla uninteresting 30-30 (Can you get that in Oz?) can be loaded down, and is much more effective than the Whisper.

30.30..."plain vanilla" ......"uninteresting" Mad Shocked ......Snipes......wash your mouth out!!!!! Mad Evil or Very Mad

Sir.....there is absolutely nothing plain or uninteresting about the 30.30..... especially when chambered in that most magnificent of rifles, the Winchester Model 94, or even a Marlin. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

I have no understanding or knowledge of the 300 Whisper so I won't comment on it, however if it has all of the shortcomings listed in this thread then I tend to agree with your sentiments.

Having said that, we all have our little idiosyncracies and desiring a 300 Whisper is obviously one of Gelan's.

Gelan, make the most of the 300 Whisper mate if that is what you want.... just be aware of its shortcomings and stay within its capabilities mate.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Re: Really considering .300 Whisper Reply with quote

Vince,
The 300 Whisper was designed and developed for the US Department of Defense, actually a Seal brought up the challenge, to make a round that:
Would be sub-sonic
Would be head shot accurate to 300 meters
Woulld deliver enough energy to be a deadly to 300 meters
Would fit into and feed from an un-altered M-16 magazine
Would be silent, with a supressor

The round itself is based on the 221 Fireball case, the old original XP-100 round, that has been necked up to 30 caliber. With a 200 grain bullet, the round delivers the exact specifications in the challenge. It is also a gang-buster round for close up automatic fire.

The round was designed by the "fireside" discussions of two steel shooters and IHMSA members, J. D. Jones (SKS Industries) and Jim Rock (Rock Pisol Manafacturing RPM). Jones did the development and regersted the 300 Whiper name. The above information comes from a discussion with Jim Rock over a cool beverage at the IHMSA International Championships a few years ago.

As a steel mover and silent sniper round the 300 W is very effective. However, like most military rounds designed for a specific purpose, the 300 W is not a hunting round. However, I have seen the round with reduced bullet weight and increased powder charges reach some very respectable velocity numbers while still keeping its accuracy. It can be loaded to the same range as the 30-7.62x39 and the 30-30.

There is no reason for a hunter to build a 300 Whisper where an un-supressed gun is to be used. Hunting velocity is achieved in the round at the max case capacity and allows little if any increase, where any other 30 caliber, like the 30-30 or 300 Savage has capacity to spare for use in a single shot or bolt gun.

What Sniper was saying was that the 30-30, as old and as uninteresting it is to many, is still a better round for hunting and he is 100% correct.
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