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Gil Martin
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

I believe it was Elmer Keith who coined the referenced phrase and I certainly agree with him. Every week I get to spend several wonderful days at a great gun club checking members, observing safety conditions and protecting club property. As a bonus, I get to shoot, pick up brass, talk to like-minded folks and read various things. They even pay me to endure all of this.

On a random basis, I take guns out to the range and have often been amazed at how well they shoot. The last few weeks were devoted to sighting in scoped .22 rifles. The Remington Model 582 (tube feed bolt action) and the Winchester Wildcat (magazine fed bolt action) both preferred Winchester ammo over Federal brand. Groups with Federal ammo were good while the Winchester groups at 50 yards were outstanding. Both rifles are going into the autumn woods with me.

This week I took out a pair of U.S. Model of 1917 rifles made by Winchester in WWI. One was sporterized with the original 26-inch barrel and had military sights. It did OK with my reloads. The second rifle was sporterized and the barrel was shortened to 19 inches and wore a 4-power Tasco scope. It shot bullseye groups all day long. It looks very funny with its short barrel, but what a performer. Guess I have to take it out this deer season. All the best...
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

I agree with the statement made by Elmer up to a point. Great accuracy certainly makes the shooter feel good, but I also like the historical aspect of some firearms. Picking up and shooting a historically significant or interesting firearm delivers a real thrill, knowing that the shooter of old had to do the best they could with the firearm, often achieving amazing or outstanding results. Trying to emulate these feats is something that I find to be also appealing...even better if accuracy is achieved.

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Col. Townsend Whelen said that. I'm with you Vince. Of course I've only met a couple of guns that weren't fun to shoot (brutal recoil or really terrible accuracy)

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

yea and nah on that one........my little 7.62x39mm isnt a tack driver by any strecth of the imagination...2-3" at hundy is normal for her...yet it gets the most use of the rifles in my cabinet as its just plain fun to use,the subsonics Im running in it now make my .22lr redundant as they are similar in price to shoot and headshooting a house mutton at 50 yards or less is childsplay with her and they go down like a lead balloon.
my .223 would be the most accurate in cabinet yet gets the least use now as we dont get out after wallabies as much any more.
now the shotguns are by far the worst yet this time of the year get a real hammering1

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Inaccurate guns are just a challenge. Keeps one on his toes figuring out what the cause is and fixing it.

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Bushy, I had an AMT Lightning .22 rifle for a while. It would shoot groups 0.5" wide at 50 yards. However they were also 6" tall... After many tries, including returning it to the factory, nothing changed. It got traded off. Guess I wasn't up to the challenge!

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

It depends. I have some older firearms that are wall hangers and are interesting even though they do not get shot. Then there are some military rifles with very dark bores that could never shoot a decent group and I like them for historical reasons. There is a real sense of satisfaction when you are able to get a gun to shoot well. So I agree with you good folks. All the best...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

I love my sub-MOA stuff.

I also love the not so sub-MOA stuff.

If I can get Minute-of-CenterMass out of the latter at or near the max range of the load I'm happy!
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Gil Martin wrote:


This week I took out a pair of U.S. Model of 1917 rifles made by Winchester in WWI. One was sporterized with the original 26-inch barrel and had military sights. It did OK with my reloads. The second rifle was sporterized and the barrel was shortened to 19 inches and wore a 4-power Tasco scope. It shot bullseye groups all day long. It looks very funny with its short barrel, but what a performer. Guess I have to take it out this deer season. All the best...
Gil

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote



Yep.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:41 am    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Are there powder burn marks on that target? Very Happy

Nice shooting! What distance?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

4 shots at 100 yards. Chickened out for the 5th shot. Figured it would end up on the next county! Of course we all only post the really good targets...those that look like a shotgun pattern seem to miss the cut! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:33 am    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Ya mean like this one. .30-06 Browning and Redfield scope. Range 200 yards.



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Very nice shooting folks and it confirms my point regarding accurate rifles. All the best...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Only accurate guns are interesting Reply with quote

Howa 1500 20" bull. 168gr SMK, 41.7 RE15, FGMM case, Fed primer. Crimped, LEE dies, 10x glass, prone. After 4 years off!

300y, 5-shots (frekin' flyer! BTW- a "flyer" is a jerked shot), winds; 75-90* @ 100: 10 w/ gust to 15. 340-10* @ 200: 10-15. InCQ/switch @ 300.



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