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Vince
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:15 am Post subject: Ammo Ban pending
Saw this today... Whammy Obammy stars again .223 Ammo Ban _________________ Cheers, Vince Illegitimi non carborundum (Never let the bastards grind you down) Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God. "Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta." (Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)

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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
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Bushmaster
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
Hey!! That just means more .223 for you guys. Doesn't it? _________________ I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it... DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch... LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...

Suzanne
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
They're claiming the m855 is an armor piercing round and it isn't, matter of fact the ATF didn't used to include it as an AP round, but now they do? It's just an inexpensive cost effective practice round from what I can tell. Suz _________________ May the moon keep you centered, May the sun keep you dancing, And the stars shed light on your dreams.

Aloysius
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
Is it not so that all these lead-free-bullets are armor piercing? Oops!

chambered221
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Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending

Just love it when the "experts" talk bullet technology !!!

This whole thing seems to be tied to the AR15 pistol platform and the Sig arm brace controversy.

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PaulS
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Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending

The ATFE already admitted that the M855 round is used in competition target practice more than any other bullet (because of its better BC) which is enough (or has been enough in the past) to exclude it as an "armor piercing" round. It also is not equipped with a hardened steel core. The core is a soft steel core that makes the bullet longer for its weight than a lead core bullet of the same weight.

Barnes needs to make a banded solid in .223 to replace the M855. Although some of the banded solids have been temporarily rated as "armor piercing" the smaller caliber bullets have not. They are available in .243, .25 and up to .600 so adding the .223 should be a no brainer. (although the gun is rarely used for dangerous game they could label it as a target bullet.... Smile

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BigBlue
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending

I'm not sure what armor they are talking about this round piercing. I had been under the impression that they were referring to body armor, but they've confused it enough that I'm no longer sure what they mean. All I know is that there's another run on 5.56 ammo of all kinds, not just M855 or SS109. Companies like Cheaper Than Dirt immediately took advantage of the situation and raised their prices. Barring an invasion of Pennsylvania, I'll have enough to last my lifetime.

Bushmaster
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:18 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
I believe my .30-30 will penitrate body armor...Right? _________________ I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it... DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch... LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...

Pumpkinslinger
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
When the organization that is supposed to enforce the rules can also write the rules however they want you KNOW that the people are going to get screwed! _________________ Mike "I ain't no better than anybody else, and there ain't nobody better than me!" Ma Kettle

dhc4ever
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending

Bushmaster wrote:

I believe my .30-30 will penitrate body armor...Right?

Maybe.
Probably give the BA your general duties leo wears a hard time, but it wont penetrate the ballistic plate in the military spec BA with the projectiles you have in a 30/30. Youd probably destroy an arm or leg though.

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Vince
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending

dhc4ever wrote:

Bushmaster wrote:

I believe my .30-30 will penitrate body armor...Right?

...or from the neck up Pete. Very Happy

Works for me. Very Happy

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Bushmaster
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Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
Are you talkin' about the "trama plate" that "mall ninja's" ductape to their chest? _________________ I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it... DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch... LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...

dhc4ever
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending

No not the mall ninja variety, although if the plate is the same type that goes in the vest that may work, however shrapnel from the round hitting it will probably shred your throat, job done.
The vest itself can slow down or stop pistol rounds, the ballistic plate can stop 1 maybe 2 rounds in the .308 range.
From the neck up, the kevlar helmet will stop small shrapnel and pistol rounds, probably not a rifle round bigger than .223 if that.

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Aloysius
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Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:41 am Post subject: Re: Ammo Ban pending
dhc, I have been told that they teach "double-tap"-shooting now. First round to stretch the kevlar, second to penetrate... so a fast finger will do the armor piercing... what can be done to prevent 'fast-fingering' ?

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