HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: CGSEAL
New Today: 0
New Yesterday: 0
Overall: 12393

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 128
BOT: 4
Total: 132
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: News
02: Forums
03: Home
04: Photo Albums
05: Forums
06: Forums
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Photo Albums
10: Forums
11: Forums
12: Forums
13: Your Account
14: Forums
15: Photo Albums
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Forums
21: Photo Albums
22: Forums
23: Photo Albums
24: Forums
25: Forums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Forums
32: Forums
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Photo Albums
37: Forums
38: Forums
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Photo Albums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Forums
49: Forums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Forums
54: Photo Albums
55: Forums
56: Forums
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Your Account
60: Forums
61: Forums
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Forums
65: Photo Albums
66: Forums
67: Your Account
68: Forums
69: Photo Albums
70: Photo Albums
71: Forums
72: Forums
73: Forums
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Photo Albums
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Forums
81: Photo Albums
82: Photo Albums
83: Forums
84: Forums
85: Forums
86: Forums
87: Forums
88: Forums
89: Your Account
90: Forums
91: Forums
92: Forums
93: Forums
94: Photo Albums
95: Forums
96: Forums
97: Forums
98: Forums
99: Forums
100: Photo Albums
101: Your Account
102: PointBlank Ballistics
103: Forums
104: Photo Albums
105: Forums
106: Forums
107: Photo Albums
108: Forums
109: Forums
110: Forums
111: Photo Albums
112: Forums
113: Forums
114: Home
115: Forums
116: Forums
117: Forums
118: Forums
119: Forums
120: Forums
121: Forums
122: Photo Albums
123: Forums
124: Forums
125: PointBlank Ballistics
126: Your Account
127: Forums
128: Forums
  BOT:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Your Account
04: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 312
 Pictures: 2417
  · Views: 263592
  · Votes: 1288
  · Comments: 86
 

Support our Advertisers

Best quality brass??
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition

View previous topic :: View next topic  

Best brass
Norma
46%
 46%  [ 6 ]
Lapua
23%
 23%  [ 3 ]
Nosler Custom
30%
 30%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 13

Author Message
dhc4ever
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 26, 2011
Posts: 2214
Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Do tell.

_________________
Pete

Dont do anything you wont like explaining to the paramedics..............
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 12855
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Bushmaster wrote:
Vince is an expert on rifle bolts... Laughing

I can see I'm never going to live this down. Haha Yeah, an expert of sorts, but not in knowing the bolt itself, more a case of not remembering to pick the damn things up when going hunting. Only made that mistake once though. Embarassed Embarassed Laughing Laughing Laughing

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 10200
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

I didn't say anything...Just mentioned you knew all about rifle bolts,

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
Suzanne
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 3263
Location: Eugene, Oregon

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

More Popcorn Mr. Bushmaster?



Popcorn
Suz
Popcorn

need some
salt too.....

_________________
May the moon keep you centered,
May the sun keep you dancing,
And the stars shed light on your dreams.
Back to top
View user's profile
Vince
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 25, 2005
Posts: 12855
Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:40 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Suzanne wrote:
More Popcorn Mr. Bushmaster?



Popcorn
Suz
Popcorn

need some
salt too.....

Here ya go Suz, in all my embarrassed glory mate...

I'm a Total Klutz

Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

_________________
Cheers, Vince Cheers

Illegitimi non carborundum
(Never let the bastards grind you down)

Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak kindly. Leave the rest to God.

"Nulla Si Fa Senza Volonta."
(Without Commitment, Nothing Gets Done)

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address MSN Messenger Yahoo Messenger
MacD
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Apr 08, 2011
Posts: 1052
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:35 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Have been away and just got around to reading the complete thread. All my rifle cases are sized to give a slight resistance to lock up of the bolt. This includes rimmed cases such as the 35 Remington. I suspect, but do not know for sure, that the bolt face and case are a close fit. I wish I could say that I do this to improve accuracy but the truth is I do it to reduce case stretch and therefore hopefully increase brass life.

While I have some premium brass, most of mine is regular stuff such as Remington, Winchester and some military surplus. I tried several annealing methods but finally gave it up as It was just too difficult to be consistent.

_________________
La a'Blair s'math n Cairdean
(Friends are good on the day of battle)
Back to top
View user's profile
lesterg3
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 30, 2008
Posts: 1235
Location: Dixie

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

OK, so now I am becoming really confused and have begun questioning everything I have learned in earning two advanced degrees in metallurgy and physics, although Dee would tell you that confusion about people is not a new condition and sometimes she’s surprised that I can even breathe when talking to them.

I have been advised by an obviously highly experienced, educated, and knowledgeable contributor to HN that upon ignition of a cartridge’s percussion cap’s soft steel face by the massive .050” to .080” diameter firing pin that the spring loaded massive firing pin will hold the cartridge in place and that case under up to 60,000 PSI will immediately expand diametrically and not longitudinally to form fit the chamber and prevents any gas escape and any possible rearward movement or stretch of the cartridge and that under no circumstance could the base of the cartridge come into contact with the face of the bolt and therefore the cartridge could not assume any out of square condition from the bolt face.

So, I am curious about why we have bolt handles that lock in place and LOCKING LUGS on the cartridge end of the bolt and would really like somebody to tell me why rifle manufacturers go to so much expense to create a bolt that is immobile to rearward movement, I’d rather they spend those dollars on better barrels and better barrel action interfaces.

Heck, if the cartridge form fits to the chamber and the cartridge only stretches towards the bore then we don’t need a bolt of any kind and could just use a nail to poke the cap. I am also curious about whether I should continue to believe anything that Hornady has to say about cartridge ballistics, reloading, or anything else they sell. They are obviously wrong too, and if they are wrong about this I would question any other advice they proffer about reloading.

So, since I am so ignorant about, metallurgy, physics, ballistics and rifles I feel I need to stop shooting, hunting and reloading, heck if I don’t understand the basics I could be dangerous to an innocent bystander. Please somebody explain all this to me.

_________________
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "--Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."--James Madison

NRA Life Member
Vietnam War Vet 68-69
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
SingleShotLover
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Dec 26, 2007
Posts: 927
Location: Illinois

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:39 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

If you re-read the info more closely, you will see that the case moves rearward at the moment of bullet movement causing an intense thrust against the bolt-face. Note that the bullet is in motion at that point. The lugs are to prevent the bolt from becoming part of the shooter's face.

But then one can always make the case that simple logic proves that airplanes can't fly.

_________________
If you can't hit it with one, you probably can't with two either!

The biggest problem with a closed mind is that it never seems to come with a closed mouth.

SSL
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Suzanne
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 3263
Location: Eugene, Oregon

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

OOOooooo well done Lester!! You're not just a fisherman you're a long-liner. Reminds me of a conversation I had with our office's retirement administrator. We got a copy of how our asset allocations were distributed and I noticed our highest percentage was in bonds. Questions? Yeah, doesn't the present low interest rate (in our banking system) tend to devalue the dollar? Yes (he said with tons of explanation about dollar valuation). So why are we heavily vested in bonds? Well, I wouldn't call it heavy or strong, we're evening it out in the long run, being conservative as we go through the year... and blah blah blah... The thing is, that's my retirement money, I want aggressive, not conservative income. Did we make a killing this year on stocks? Well no we had a strategy for a falling economy that we used two years ago and this year it just didn't turn out that way. So why do we pay you to manage our retirement?

I made more on the stock market this year than I have in the last 5 years and this guy is so behind.....it's his freekin job, nothing else, and it's our money slowly slipping through the cracks....my boss is a dunderhead and needs to educate himself on investing.

Sorry for the rant Lester, just wanted to swab your bruises, there are some that need mental hearing aids and some that have no batteries at all. We can only hope they don't end up with us eternally. Now that would just suk.



Suz

_________________
May the moon keep you centered,
May the sun keep you dancing,
And the stars shed light on your dreams.
Back to top
View user's profile
lesterg3
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 30, 2008
Posts: 1235
Location: Dixie

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:51 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

SSLover, Thanks partner, but I don't need to re-read anything. What you explained was my original point EXACTLY. But, some folks don't believe it.

Thanks Suz.

Regarding your retirement fund, I took everything I had out of the control of banks and fund managers several years ago, thankfully I only lost about a third during our economic debacle.

So let's say (hypothetically) that I'm a fund manager and I have 10,000 folks depending on me to manage their money but only one person who signs my check and gives me bonuses for placating the 10,000 who are at my whim, who shall I be faithful to? You cannot depend on others for your future, it is all a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Sorry about your Boss.

_________________
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. "--Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -- Thomas Jefferson

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms."--James Madison

NRA Life Member
Vietnam War Vet 68-69
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail Photo Gallery
Suzanne
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 3263
Location: Eugene, Oregon

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Yeah wish I could do the same, but we have the boss paying matching funds to what we give, along with profit sharing so you can't beat that, but once I decide to quit or "retire" I'm very prepared to invest. Anyone who's thinkin about retirement better be well versed in the stock market. It's easy to do and your motivation is money.....more money!

Suz

_________________
May the moon keep you centered,
May the sun keep you dancing,
And the stars shed light on your dreams.
Back to top
View user's profile
TRBLSHTR
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Mar 23, 2007
Posts: 1036
Location: Lower 48's-left coast(near portlandia)

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Shocked I'm with ya Lester!That cartridge movement idea bothers me and I have been loading for (fingers and toes)45 years now!If that is correct-then why don't I see similar issues with my ruger #1 -25ought?Seems to me that It locks up tight against base of cartridge,and I was taught that headspacing on bottleneck cartridges was from base to shoulder,and magnums was from belt to shoulder -or was that base to belt,on belted magnums,or was that -my brain is starting to throb-must see nurse at local bar for medicine........................... wtf

_________________
"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." Thomas Mann


Last edited by TRBLSHTR on Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:22 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 10200
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

Just to help with your brain throb, TRBLSHTR. I use the shoulder of a .30-30 (mod 94) to head space on rather then the case rim.

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
PaulS
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 18, 2006
Posts: 3340
Location: South-Eastern Washington - the State

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

All my rifles (the ones that use bottle-neck cases) are kept long enough to headspace on the shoulder. It doesn't matter if it is a bolt or a break-open action, they all get the same treatment.

The case body and neck always expand to the chamber wall but after they are glued to the wall by the pressure then the case head moves rearward (if there is any space) which stretches the brass lengthwise. That is what causes case head separation. If there is a slight "crush-fit" to the case in the chamber then it has no place to expand. (unless there is enough pressure to cause the chamber to expand) With that very slight crush-fit my brass will outlast me. I can't swear it increases accuracy but in conjunction with a partially sized neck I will swear that it increases accuracy in my guns with me shooting them.

_________________
Paul
__________________
Speer, Lyman, Hodgdon, Sierra, and Hornady = reliable loading data
So and So's pages on the internet = NOT reliable loading data
Always check data against manuals
NEVER exceed maximum listed loads
Back to top
View user's profile Send e-mail
Suzanne
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 3263
Location: Eugene, Oregon

PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: Best quality brass?? Reply with quote

How do you size a rimmed case on the shoulder, what's the method? I was thinking about doing that on my rolling block rifle because of the scarcity of cases for 8x58rD, I have inconsistent rim thicknesses. If I could bump the shoulder up then I could headspace on the shoulder. Don't know how to do it though.


Suz

_________________
May the moon keep you centered,
May the sun keep you dancing,
And the stars shed light on your dreams.
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Reloading Ammunition
Page 6 of 7
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.