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When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Well said dawgdad----When I was with the federal protective service had to qualify 2 times a year.
When with the sheriff dept. it was 5 to 6 times a year.
I shot quit a few I.D.P.A.'s
And that's why I like living in Montana (CCW)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

We have 16 hours of instruction required in Land of Lincoln. I take the first 8 hours tomorrow which is more or less the NRA basic pistol course. I opened the safe last night and wiped down and inspected a Kimber 1911, 3 glocks, S&W 39-2 and a Makarov .380. I checked out several leather holsters and a Fobus paddle holster for the Glocks and Blakhawk Serpa retention rig for the 1911...Then pulled a beat up $150 South American police buy back Taurus 82 with a nylon uncle Mikes holster and said yup, that is what I am taking to the class. Dang thing shoots real well for looking like a POS. I do not want to be "that guy" in the class with the $1200 pistol and $100 holster who is not sure how to release the magazine... I want to be the guy who gets sneers and snickers until I pull the trigger....:)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Tremblay wrote:
That's one of them that I carrie 38 sp +p and 9mm the other

How the heck do you delete these things---- stumped (how ever you spell it)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

thanks Mike

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:17 am    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Dawgdad wrote:
We have 16 hours of instruction required in Land of Lincoln.

If you have a Utah permit you can get 4 hours credit on the Illinois course. Makes class time only 4 hours and range time 8...though that 8 on the range watching the first-timers can sure drag!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Especially when one of the beginners can't seem to keep his hands to himself.

My qualifying target for Missouri CCW. You will note that two holes are off target. Both caused by a hand placed on my shoulder during firing my Model 19 S&W. We had to shoot 20 rounds of semi-auto (Colt .45 ACP) and 20 round of revolver (S&W Mod 19).

He was abruptly told that the next time he touched me a round would [miraculously] find him. Didn't see him for the rest of the day.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

nice shooting

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Nice shooting Bushy...all off-hand I assume mate? Are they timed sequences or is a case of "see the target...shoot it in your own time, go on"?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Yes...All off hand. The shot strings were timed, but there was ample time to do a good job.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:06 am    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

That's good shooting. Those silhouette targets always bugged me in that I always felt the 10 ring is too low from where you would really want to hit a body in a defensive situation. I'd rather see the 10 ring moved up to center on the top of the first line below the 9.

This reminds me though I need to order more silhouette targets before spring.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Never thought I'd say/think it........but I've been giving serious consideration to carrying the 9mm and .380 !!!

I'm still of the belief a 40 or 45 can have an advantage in certain situations but I'm yet to find any factual data that supports a 45 is better than a 9.
Everything I've seen points to the fact shot placement predicts the outcome more than the diameter of the bullet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

That's good shooting Bushy. Last time I fired pistol on a silhouette target at that range was about 8 years ago and it was all instinctive shooting...12 shots in 15 seconds from the holster with a relaod after the first six.

When I first started shooting pistol it was three shots on one target, then three shots on the next target, reload, repeat the sequence...in 15 seconds, all instinctive. I used to average around 117 points. Just as I was getting out of pistol shooting they changed it to six and six aimed in 12 seconds from the holster.

I agree Dallan, but as the silhouette targets are not meant to represent a "man target" (well out here anyway) they put the 10 ring in the centre of the seen mass...which strangely enough was how they taught us to shoot in the Army...aim at the centre of the seen mass.

Chambered...I don't believe it is the diameter of the bullet that makes the difference...more so the weight/mass of the projectile at a given velocity.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Vince, I use to think it was all about mass too, that's why I carried a Sig 220 with 230gr hp's !!!

Here's a link to Greg Ellifritz's An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power this is the study that was mentioned in the original post.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:47 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

Bushy,
That is fine shooting in anybodies book! In spite of the guy patting you on the back in the middle of shots.

199 out of 200 is better than most LEO do in qualification. (in my experience)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: When Does a .380 Beat a 9mm? Reply with quote

chambered221 wrote:
Vince, I use to think it was all about mass too, that's why I carried a Sig 220 with 230gr hp's !!!

Here's a link to Greg Ellifritz's An Alternate Look at Handgun Stopping Power this is the study that was mentioned in the original post.

That's a very interesting article Chambered...and some even more interesting and eye opening results. Even the humble .22 rimfire puts up a credible performance.

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