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light and fast steel in .12ga
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Elvis, did you discover some relation for the different chokes between steel and lead pellets? Can you share that? I know the relation between weight and numbers. And I also know that the smaller pellets listen better to the choke than the coarse. But I don't know any relation between steel and lead for the different chokes.
I know that 24 gram of 7 1/2 steel (a steel claybird round) works extremely well in my FN Auto-5 with full choke, even when the doves fly over very high. With my Beretta I usualy need steel nummber 5 for about the same performance. My Beretta equiped with (****) and (***), where (*) is full.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:59 am    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

ok the theory is that steel patterns 2 degrees tighter as it doesnt deform like lead. we are advised not to use more than a 1/2 or modified choke for steel shot.
but........
guys are now starting to play/experiment with tighter chokes all be it in the external type so that if any damage is going to occur it will be to a removable choke and not your barrel.
larger steel shot is more inclinded to "bridge" so tight chokes not recommended at all or damage may occur
personally I think some of the newer smaller payload loads 1 1/16th and below SHOULD be fine as they wont/shouldnt be as crowded in the choke region.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:56 am    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Elvis, just try the 7/8 Oz of steel 7 1/2 in a full choke caliber 12 and be surprised. (not only by its price, but also by its performance on flying birds). And most of the time these arel low pressure loads also.

We also have here a Lyalvale Express steel shot cal. 12 with 23 grams doing 520 m/s, but that's already higher pressure, so better take a steelproved gun.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

I have a few 7.5s and they didnt do any good for me...frightened the bejesus out of a possom up tree inside our camp on opening weekend 2012. 8 rounds as fast as I could work the defender had the possom too scared to climb down so he got shot the next morning for staying around. Ive got a bit of the shot left over from some we pulled so I might just load it up hot for the boy to use on those in your face birds right on dusk.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Not the best photo but bunny was bolting at 15-20yrds light n fast 4 did the job.thats a parry duck plucked on the run we put feathers with plastic egg in some of our traps and hacked up another bunny to bait the others. 3 shots fired out of my old single bakail and 3 kills.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Look! It's taking a nap with its slippers on... ain't that just the cutest thing!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:16 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

lol it took them off before it jumped into a hot frypan for lunch.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Thanks for the giant pictures......




breakfast ready?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Suzanne wrote:
Thanks for the giant pictures......




breakfast ready?
sorry about that Suz. the dragon in law has borrowed our digital camera this week so took picture on my cellphone and uploaded it from there....will have to see if I can reduse the size on the phone itself.
as for breaky...we ate it for lunch Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

Those pesky guys down under are always a day ahead of us....

I vote we move the date line!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

My vote is for Gimp, for unix/linux and windows.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

I have found Picassa works for me. Just export the picture(s) in a different size and resolution. I use this feature for uploading to the two websites I help maintain for the local Shriners. On my Android phone and tablet I use Picsart.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

MacD:

Picassa does have bugs and will not scale the image accurately., I stand behind Gimp for windows and Unix/Linux, Mac etc. Only been developing and programing for Unix/Linux 30 years plus contributed to the development of gimp.

But for you windows users, here is a right click on the file that will give u the opportunity to resize via windows power toys available here.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

did some patterning today
sorry pattern is only 21" wide SWMBO let me shoot the washing machine, freezer was bigger but full of goodies so better to leave that alone!!!
if you want recipe PM me.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: light and fast steel in .12ga Reply with quote

they werent ment to come out that big!!!! used my old camera that usually loads up smaller Bang Head Bang Head

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