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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15718 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:26 am Post subject: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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I can't believe this crap...wonder how long it will be before it is made compulsory by the all powerful business community?
Micro Chipping of HUMANS !!
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slimjim Super Member
Joined: May 16, 2009 Posts: 8314 Location: Fort Worth TX
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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One can always wear a metalized coat to defeat it. Just like my metal roof blocks my cellphone coverage.
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MacD Super Member
Joined: Apr 08, 2011 Posts: 1052 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:30 am Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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This has been an issue for civil liberty associations for a number of years. Current technology that we know about allows reading of the chips from up to 30 feet and at speeds of about 50 Kph. They are found in many wearable goods and used to track retail visits. Livestock and pets have been implanted by the 10's of millions for years now.
The technology is obviously advancing faster than our constitutional and statue laws can adapt. You are quite right in saying that businesses are a big driver but the biggest proponents are government agencies such as Homeland Security in the USA.
BTW the chips are low frequency devices and penetration through solids is much better than cellular signals. Reactive chips need to be within a wavelength or so of the reader. Powered ones such as those found in most automobiles of current manufacture have a much greater range.
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TRBLSHTR Super Member
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Elvis Super Member
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5946
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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And they are the exact same thing like the chip in your car keys (for smart ignition), your dogs and cats etc.
They stay fixed in one place, they are relatively low powered and do not have any range, like the RFID office cards to enter doors, or your credit card you physically need to touch to a scanner for it to even read correctly, and typically do not have the ability to transmit much data each time due to the limited power it can build up from the transceiver that its reading it.
So in the end, if you really have one, and you really have something to hide, unless they already nabbed you and are physically scanning you within a few inches from your body, it doesn't make much of a difference.
But still if your that paranoid, please remember they stay in the exact same spot they are implanted in, which means you can personally extract it with a pocket knife if you really got paranoid.
Dimitri
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radar Super Member
Joined: Oct 01, 2008 Posts: 1109 Location: North Island New Zealand
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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F. that. Next thing is a bar code tattooed on your arm etc. Big Bro going too far?
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5946
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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Wouldn't it be nice though, you'd never need car keys, credit cards, drivers licenses etc.
Just touch the palm of your hand (or possibly near your wrist) and voila.
As for you radar ... you can use one of these (or a better modified version) ...
When you stop someone all they have to do is put out their hand, the handheld reads the chip ID, you'll have their driving records at hand, any outstanding warrants etc in a instant. No need for back and forth to your patrol car or bothering people who are innocent of anything etc.
Dimitri
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gelandangan Super Member
Joined: May 07, 2006 Posts: 6398 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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My thought is that WE ARE ALL BORN WITH BARCODE BUILT IN.
Thats what your finger prints do.. barcode..
RFID implanted chips is not that bad, the only thing is that the security for the info is not guaranteed.
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dhc4ever Super Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 2944 Location: Ipswich, Queensland Australia
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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It aint happening here.
Wanna stick a chip in me? better send more than 1 applicator and more than a couple to hold me down.
Old George Orwell was pretty close to the mark eh.
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Elvis Super Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 12:41 am Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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the number plate scanners are a plurry great idea a easyer way for the law to catch up with dodgy huas. the problem with putting all your eggs in one basket as you have suggested Omni is some time you trip up and break the lot. a puckerooed chip would leave you stranded!!!!
it would also give the powers that be the ability to cut you off by disalowwing your chip from the system.
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Vince Site Admin
Joined: May 25, 2005 Posts: 15718 Location: Brisbane AUSTRALIA
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 6:44 am Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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Vince wrote: |
If they can build it, they can modify it |
RFID chips are one time programmable with a unique (typically 32-bit code), the more complicated ones like in your credit card can also transmit up to 32-bits of additional data (it does "math" on the chip to always give out a unique transaction authentication code).
Once programmed however they are worthless and cannot be modified (the essentials anyways). There is typically a small spot for your PIN in your credit cards, a few bytes of data that is EEPROM, which would allow you to change your pin, and therefore the answers given by the RFID when near a scanner.
Dimitri
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DallanC Site Admin
Joined: Jan 18, 2005 Posts: 3572 Location: Utah
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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Dimitri wrote: |
Vince wrote: |
If they can build it, they can modify it |
RFID chips are one time programmable with a unique (typically 32-bit code), the more complicated ones like in your credit card can also transmit up to 32-bits of additional data (it does "math" on the chip to always give out a unique transaction authentication code).
Once programmed however they are worthless and cannot be modified (the essentials anyways). There is typically a small spot for your PIN in your credit cards, a few bytes of data that is EEPROM, which would allow you to change your pin, and therefore the answers given by the RFID when near a scanner.
Dimitri |
My current project uses RFID's which are completely programable with large amounts of data actualy. The scary thing is how easy a portable reader is to buy and conceal. Someone could put one in a bag and walk around scanning everyone in the immediate area.
-DallanC
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Dimitri Super Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: RFID Chip approved for HUMANS !! |
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DallanC wrote: |
Someone could put one in a bag and walk around scanning everyone in the immediate area. |
Even if you over boost your pulses to charge the 125Khz RFID that was approved, your still going to need to be within a food from the chip to read it (most 125Khz passives are only rated to something like 6").
The ones approved for humans are like the Dog ones though, a mere 32-bit identifier being OTP.
The EMV cards (Europay, MasterCard and Visa's Chip Card and RFID type cards) that run at 13.56 MHz still need physical contact to the reader to even be read. As they require a larger charge then a passive device, and they can be a pain at times.
Dimitri
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