surfdog wrote:

Too much Gun? Oxymoron.

Thats true aslong as long as you dont care how much meat you lose

And welcome to the forms Surfdog Enjoy your say

Dimitri

We must maintain some sense of reason here...I would not go after Praire Dawgs with a .45-70 no matter how accurate it was. And on the other side of the coin I would not go after an elephant with a .177 (That's a BB gun to those that don't know the calibre)...I would go after most game using the most effective calibre not to exceed the ridiculous in either direction...Like Dimitri, I can't see going after a deer with a large bore rifle (unless it was a primitive hunt). And I would think that a .22-250 is the wrong calibre to use on larger game also. Let's see...Where did I read that??? The .22-250 would probably go right through and never stop the animal (small hole in/small hole out and no bleed out)...Now we have a wounded deer running around loose...Great!!! A good rifle for the particular animal you are after must have the capibility to open up inside the animal with deep penetration and/or after opening up (mushroom) pass through. If it doesn't open up it is going to be a wounded animal that will need a lot of tracking...And may never be found...

I cringe every time I hear of someone bragging that they use a 82-260 (fictional) to hunt deer or other like game. And at the same time I aslo cringe even more when I hear of someone bragging that they use a .22 on large game. In my (not so) humble opinion this is really pure stu...(Better not say it as I might offend someone...)

GADDAY VINCE

I agree with you Bushy, I also believe a .22 cal is too small for big game. And you are correct about being careful what you say, some people are easily offended ..........

Choppers are too much gun for big game hunting I think.

My general thoughts personally are (Caliber size of the bullet not the name):

Big game from 243 to 338 and the 45-70.
------>Most of the larger calibers require alot of pratice to shoot them right so I'd rather take something smaller but thats just me personally as I dont see the point of taking a 375 H&H if you cant do have decent groups.

Small/Medium game from 224 to 300.
------>A 300 might be over kill but if you got a 30-06 practicing on PD's can be good for you as the more getting used to your rifle the better.

Not counting muzzle loaders and shotguns in my list

And no need to go into the large super mags that recoil too much for you to get groups under 2 inchs at 100 yards, 50BMG (even with FMJ's it will make a big hole ) or the 115mm Feild gun

PS if I offended anyone sorry.

Dimitri

So then I guess that when I use a 375 H@H or 458 Lott on deer , that's " too much gun " ..
Sorry no such critter as too much gun .. Many degrees of wounded , only one degree of dead ..
235 soft points at 2700 or so out of the 375 damage a lot less meat than you think ..
Jack

That is very true GroovyJack....and if ya do a neck shot, the shock and energy would definately put the deer down before the wound would A .338 Win shooting a federal HE TBBC i know does the same

GroovyJack,

If you can actually get Minute of deer with a 375 use it.

Its just that on alot of hunting/firearm boards online people that buy them show some nasty groupings because of the recoil of it.

Dimitri

GroovyJack wrote:

" too much gun " .. Sorry no such critter as too much gun .. Many degrees of wounded , only one degree of dead .. Jack

Well put I agree Jack dead is dead.
Joe

"Too much gun" is when a shooter reaches a point he cannot accurately fire said gun with reasonable proficientcy. I for example, do not shoot really large bore rifles well... and I can guarentee you all I couldnt hit a barn with a .458 LOTT. I HATE heavy recoil from firearms and am prone to flinching a bit. I totally respect those who can however shoot the bigbores consistantly. I can play connect the dots with my smaller rifles and its those I choose to hunt with.

As far as "overkill" yes it exists but its situational. I would define it to be killing an animal in such a way there that there is no recoverable assets from it. On a Prarie Dog where you dont care about recovering anything then there is no such thing as overkill... however hitting a deer with an explosive round or even Bushy's howitzer is overkill because the animal is totally destroyed with no recoverable parts.

.375 H&H is as large of a non-muzzleloader type weapon as I'd personally ever want to use.


-DallanC

Actually Dimitri , minit of deer is not difficult , large caliber rifles are much more accurate than people give them credit for ..
One reason most people have a problem shooting big bores , is poor stock design .. the cheek piece should be slanted lower in the front to keep the stock from kissing your face , should have as high a comb as the rearward bolt stroke will allow , this keeps recoil straight back into your upper body and shoulder , and minimizes muzzle jump .. the weight of the stock should be between your hands , with a straight design ..
Another is the obsession of shooting from the bench in a sitting position , this makes felt recoil very much worse with a large caliber rifle .. A "good " bench is one where you can stand behind the rifle , not sit .
Dallan pretty well sums up " too much gun " , it's what you can shoot well ..
As well as overkill ..
Another issue is most large caliber rifles are far to light in weight , and this has a lot to do with the horrific recoil you speak of .. Granted they are not easy on the shoulder , but a rifle of the proper weight is a pleasure to shoot ..
Jack
Dimitri , I dont try for sub moa groups but the 375 H@H or 458 Lott , either one can do 1.5" or less at 100 yards easy ..

Neat well thanks for the reply GroovyJack!

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Another issue is most large caliber rifles are far to light in weight , and this has a lot to do with the horrific recoil you speak of .. Granted they are not easy on the shoulder , but a rifle of the proper weight is a pleasure to shoot ..

Kind of like how 50BMG rifles weight 30lbs I take it ??

Dimitri

GroovyJack wrote:

Actually Dimitri , minit of deer is not difficult , large caliber rifles are much more accurate than people give them credit for ..

That's right. My 45-70 will put 3 bullets touching or next to touching each other at 100 yards all day long if I do my part. Not bad for a .45 cal with lots of recoil. I do have a 2x7 scope on it not open sites because my eyes won't focus on the rear site anymore. As far as meat damage, you can eat right to the hole. I would say there is less damaged meat on deer with my 45-70 then with my 30-06.

Getting old 1895shhshh??? Look at the other topic on marlins and let's hear it from you...

Dimitri wrote:

Kind of like how 50BMG rifles weight 30lbs I take it ?? Dimitri

30 pounds That's a heavy nifty fifty your thinkin' 'bout.....Mine only weighed 22.......and no help from jenny craig or slim fast either

The Barrett so call "light fifty" are 28lbs

The AR-50's weight 41lbs

What were you using ??

Dimitri