HuntingNut
HuntingNut
   Login or Register
HomeCommunity ForumsPhoto AlbumsRegister
     
 

User Info

Welcome Anonymous


Membership:
Latest: fin1969
New Today: 1
New Yesterday: 2
Overall: 12428

People Online:
Members: 0
Visitors: 86
BOT: 4
Total: 90
Who Is Where:
 Visitors:
01: Photo Albums
02: Forums
03: Forums
04: Forums
05: Forums
06: Photo Albums
07: Forums
08: Forums
09: Forums
10: Forums
11: Forums
12: Forums
13: Forums
14: Forums
15: Forums
16: Forums
17: Forums
18: Forums
19: Forums
20: Photo Albums
21: Forums
22: Your Account
23: Forums
24: Forums
25: Photo Albums
26: Forums
27: Forums
28: Forums
29: Forums
30: Forums
31: Forums
32: PointBlank Ballistics
33: Forums
34: Forums
35: Forums
36: Forums
37: Forums
38: Forums
39: Forums
40: Forums
41: Forums
42: Forums
43: Forums
44: Forums
45: Forums
46: Forums
47: Forums
48: Photo Albums
49: Photo Albums
50: Forums
51: Forums
52: Forums
53: Forums
54: Photo Albums
55: Forums
56: Forums
57: Forums
58: Forums
59: Forums
60: Forums
61: Photo Albums
62: Forums
63: Forums
64: Photo Albums
65: Forums
66: Forums
67: Forums
68: Forums
69: Forums
70: Forums
71: Forums
72: Home
73: Home
74: Forums
75: Forums
76: Forums
77: Forums
78: Forums
79: Forums
80: Forums
81: Forums
82: Forums
83: Forums
84: Forums
85: Forums
86: Photo Albums
  BOT:
01: Forums
02: Forums
03: Your Account
04: Forums

Staff Online:

No staff members are online!
 

Coppermine Stats
Photo Albums
 Albums: 300
 Pictures: 2357
  · Views: 276402
  · Votes: 1295
  · Comments: 86
 

Support our Advertisers

Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups?
Discussions related to Guns and Firearms
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
HayCreek
Member
Member


Joined: Sep 10, 2011
Posts: 36
Location: Central ND

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

+1 with 44marty

I shoot mine the way you do but, I use only 3 shot groups for round robin.
Have you found a 5 shot group more definitive?
Back to top
View user's profile
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 6894
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

3 shots when sighting in, dial in any changes another 3 shots to confirm. and other than that as many shots as it takes to stop the hua kicking!!!
I dont shoot alot of paper these days.

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
Dawgdad
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Feb 08, 2006
Posts: 1018
Location: On the Prairie

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

I think the "multi trip to the range over time group" is a good tool for analyzing the "stability' of a load/rifle combination whether you do it with one or two shots. But that is after 3-5-10 shot groups have been used to select the final product.

Simlar to expiration date testing on drugs. Test them over time against the new manufacturing specification to see how long it will remain stable

I think I read a Layne Simpson article in Shooting Times about 15 years ago where he talked about the five year group where he would shoot at the same target with his deer hunting rifle with a clean cold bore.

_________________
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency...
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 6894
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

try a group with ALL the loads you have for your rifle. thats a good indication of where it will put a shot.

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
Pumpkinslinger
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Sep 22, 2007
Posts: 4376
Location: NC foothills

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

I've been shooting 3 shot groups for load development in rifles, 5 shots in handguns. I think I'm going to start using 4 shots in rifles though. In .22 RF load tests I shoot 5 throw-away shots to "condition" the bore then 5 shot groups. For chronographing I like to shoot 10 shot groups with the load that was most accurate in previous testing.

_________________
Mike

"I ain't no better than anyone else, and there ain't no one better than me!" Ma Kettle

Back to top
View user's profile AIM Address Yahoo Messenger Photo Gallery
44marty
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Mar 20, 2009
Posts: 775
Location: Cheshire, MA; USA

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

HayCreek wrote:
+1 with 44marty

I shoot mine the way you do but, I use only 3 shot groups for round robin.
Have you found a 5 shot group more definitive?

I have found that 5-shot groups help better eliminate outside variables (like wind gusts, a pulled shot, etc). 99% of the time 3 shots would be fine. It's more a matter of personal confidence in the results than necessity. Plus, like I mentioned earlier, the more rounds I shoot, the happier I am.

_________________
_____________________________________

The strength of the wolf is in the pack; the strength of the pack is in the wolf. ~ R. Kipling

I LOVE YOU, LADY LUCK !!!
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
HayCreek
Member
Member


Joined: Sep 10, 2011
Posts: 36
Location: Central ND

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

Good point, Marty. Smile

Makes a lot of sense. I kinda got locked into 3-shot groups, trying to minimize component expenditure. But, sometimes I wonder whether I've pulled a shot or it's the load. Seems, in the long run, a 5-shot group would be better.
Back to top
View user's profile
Elvis
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jul 27, 2008
Posts: 6894
Location: south island New Zealand

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

to get rid of the pulled shot variable cheat and do 4 shots and use the best 3.

_________________
You shot it You pluck it !
Them who eats the most duck eats the most feathers!
Back to top
View user's profile
HayCreek
Member
Member


Joined: Sep 10, 2011
Posts: 36
Location: Central ND

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

NoNo no cheating allowed. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile
Suzanne
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 27, 2009
Posts: 3263
Location: Eugene, Oregon

PostPosted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

Yo SlimJ I agree with your reasoning. If you want to know what your hunting shot is going to be like (first cold shot) then the long wait is the way to do it. Your entire set-up and yourself are going from no warm-up nothing, to a cold first shot. What better way to simulate it? If you're shooting more than once then you're not simulating the hunt aspect.

Just take that once a month or once a week target along with you when you wanna shoot and use other targets for the plinkin. I have targets hanging on a wall in my loading room that I compare for load developing and over time you can tell if you're getting close or not.

Suz

_________________
May the moon keep you centered,
May the sun keep you dancing,
And the stars shed light on your dreams.
Back to top
View user's profile
slimjim
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 16, 2009
Posts: 7002
Location: Fort Worth TX

PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:55 am    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

Suz, same here. I always take my .270 hunting rifle with me to the range. I may be shooting other rifles or pistols that day, but I always take my hunting rifle with me and put a shot down range at 100 yards and keep track of the result.

_________________
"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth." - Theodore Roosevelt

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
Back to top
View user's profile
chambered221
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Aug 17, 2007
Posts: 3437
Location: Lost for good !!!

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

The amount of shots for grouping should be determined by it's intended use !!!
I develop all my loads with 3 shot groups then proof the load as it might be shot.
I'm of the opinion if the load can put 3 in a satisfactory group it's capable of more ...... the gun and the nut behind the butt determine it from there. Shocked

With a deer rifle you need to know where that first cold bore shot will be with knowledge of POI for follow up shots.
(it's nice having a rifle that puts them in the same place !!!) Very Happy
I typically will shoot 3 consecutive shots in the weather I would be hunting in to get the best possible recreation of said event. If I'm going to shoot another group I'll wait until the bore is completely cold again.
If you need to take more than 3 shots at a deer it's time for you to admit your shooting beyond your effective range. At this point you need to worry more about your shooting skills in the field more than your bench practice/technique.

With my varmint gun as with my deer rifle I always take note of that first cold bore shot. I will usually follow that with 4 shots at a rather slow pace to allow some cooling between shots for a 5 shot group. This is what will typically occur while I'm shooting afield if multiple shots are taken for whatever reason.
I will generally then let the barrel cool to different degrees and shoot a single shot multiple times at another target to confirm POI isn't wandering.
I will also test to see how many shots can be taken before wandering occurs. My current gun can typically give me 6-8 shots (depending on load) before this happens.

If I were to shoot competitively with a rifle I would obviously proof things in an appropriate manner.

_________________
Ask as many people needed, sooner or later your question will be answered the way you want it answered !!!

A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
Back to top
View user's profile Photo Gallery
Bushmaster
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Jun 12, 2005
Posts: 10250
Location: Ava, Missouri

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

So far with the .30-30 and the .30-06 I have found my load for each. Other then practice during the summer months leading up to hunting season, I will fire three fouling shots. Then it's off to the hunting grounds.

_________________
I have one nerve left and yer standin' on it...

DEMOCRACY Two wolves and one sheep voting on what to have for lunch...
LIBERTY A well armed sheep contesting the outcome of the vote...
Back to top
View user's profile
Aloysius
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 2025
Location: B., Belgium

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

What if I shoot 1-shot groups?
Don't think you can improve my groups by shooting 3, 5 or even 10 shots...

to be honnest: I don't like paper. So (when I'm alone or with friends only on the range) I don't make holes (which I have to hide with a sticker afterwards), but I shoot stones on different distances and only upto 200 m. I don't live in a country where I can safely shoot at game much further. When I look at 500 m distances, most of the time I also see cars, bikes, houses, cattle, ...
for most hunters here in Belgium 100 m is their maximum to shoot at game, so why should they try to make nice groups at 300 m?

Even with a shotgun on small game we have to watch out or somebody starts shouting. A roof is big and shot goes always further than expected...

On the other hand: our hunting insurance is still very cheap, so I suppose we get a lot af help of our St.-Hubertus Smile
Back to top
View user's profile
slimjim
Super Member
Super Member


Joined: May 16, 2009
Posts: 7002
Location: Fort Worth TX

PostPosted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Do you shoot 3- or 5-shot groups? Reply with quote

Aloysius wrote:
On the other hand: our hunting insurance is still very cheap,

Aloys, I always look forward and enjoy reading your posts! I don't know what to expect.

So you have to have hunting insurance???

_________________
"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth." - Theodore Roosevelt

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein
Back to top
View user's profile
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic   Printer Friendly Page    Forum Index » Gun & Firearm Discussions
Page 2 of 4
All times are GMT - 7 Hours
Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next



Jump to:  


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Advertisements
 


Valid CSS! Valid HTML 4.01!
Click to check if this page is realy HTML 4.01 compliant for speed :)

All logos and trademarks in this site are property of HuntingNut.com.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © 2011 by HuntingNut.com
Interactive software released under GNU GPL, Code Credits, Privacy Policy

.: Upgraded to DragonFly 9.2 by Dizfunkshunal :.