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Smart gun or dumb gun
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:31 pm    Post subject: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

that whole idea is just plain weird.
we store our rifles (when possible) with the bolt removed.
Im sure a revolver with cylinder removed is just as safe????? Scratch is it not????
therefore if you want to be extra safe separate it when not needed to be complete......seems too plurry simple to this KIWI.
IF solo Mommy wants to keep one in her bedside draw,so be it but come on folks its not that hard to store cylinder in locked jewelery case in same draw is it...she can reassemble it each night and disassemble before leaving in morning....... the 3 yr old wont be getting into Mommies bedside draw. Embarassed .that video clip with the "electric bananas" Embarassed being used as light sabers was a crack up.... Very Happy Very Happy
who else would be the target market?????
the concept of smart gun seems to be redundant if dumb people are the target audience...I mean you dont leave the knife block on floor where 3 yr old can reach it so why leave locked n cocked handgun in same place. Sad a coffee table in an unattended room isnt "under your direct control"
Scratch if gun of any type isnt under your direct control why have it loaded????
you dont do it when out in the field...no come on Shocked you dont..... stalking up on deer you wont have round chambered and safety catch off.....
normal practise here is bolt semi open or safety on and thats ONLY when game has been sighted or is expected to be soon. chamber is kept empty up untill then...its not a whole lot different now is it????? or am I missing something simple(not the first time) Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

After all that Elvis, I would be happy to hunt with you, that is exactly the approach I take.
Kids and guns
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-5hhr31MTk
Sneaky little buggers even when you're there.

Smart guns, dont stand a chance, there will always be a better idiot.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

As an electronics/automation tech I can tell you that I wouldn't want to trust a "smart gun" for my defense. We have time clocks at work that use handprints for ID. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. To get them to work at all requires fairly precise positioning of your hand. I've found that dirt, scratches or bandaids mess them up. I'll keep practicing K.I.S.S. and stick with my dumb guns.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:29 am    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

I don't own a car with a computer or a cell phone, what would I want with gun with electronics in it?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

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how about this then??????

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 2:24 am    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

I agree with most of what you said Elvis...except for the removal of the revolver cylinder. Taking the cylinder out (in a S&W) involves removing a screw in the sideplate, opening the cylinder, removing the yoke with the cylinder fitted then taking the cylinder off the yoke. Often you will have shims on the yoke as well for the correct cylinder gap. It's not a difficult job, but just taking the screw in and out of the sideplate will eventually cause problems with the screw or thread in the frame.

What I would suggest for a revolver, when not required, is either keep it empty with the ammunition securely stored (the gun should be as well anyway), install a trigger lock that requires either a key or a "tool" to remove it, or BOTH.

For a semi auto, the same applies...not loaded, ammo secure, gun secure when not required and a trigger lock that can be removed last thing before going to bed and reinstalled first thing in the morning when you lock the gun away.

Smart guns...if they are anything like the new fangled smart phones, then they are temperamental and prone to working when they feel like it and how they feel like it. Nope, no smart guns for me.

I'm with you Pete...I would be happy to hunt with Elvis for the same reasons you mention mate. Have to get him out of the habit of walking up and down those bloody great yarmars first though mate.



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

Vince, now you're showing things that we must use when we transport a gun and it's not only stupid, it's also dangerous.
I once forgot to remove the triggerlock of my boltaction rifle and it did "bang" while loading it to start on roedeerhunt. Luckely my barrel was pointing up and I never got the news of a sudden death or even a broken window around that time...
triggerlock-rules are only there to annoy the owner and as my late-father once said: "too much safety ruins safety!"
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

I have a better idea...Teach your children early. Firearm safety (mostly the 4 rules), operation, aiming and shooting. Allow them to shoot when possible. This will impress upon them of the destructive power and help to remove the "curiosity".

It worked in my house with 5 kids. (who needs father's day)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

My revolvers and pistols are cable locked. If I lived in a place where home defence in the middle of the night is a nessesity I would separate mags from pistols and have my revolver ammo in a speed loader. I don't so everything is under triple lockdown in cases, cabinets and room. As far as smart guns go they are destined to become yet another bandaid to what is really a sociological problem.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

Bushy,
You are 100% correct.
It has worked with my 2 boys.
That and the fact they cant get into the mandatory gun safe.
They have been shown what the gun can do, during goat hunting, they know the repercussions of gun misuse, both from a size 9 boot up the bum and being held responsible for their actions.
Education is the only answer, anything else is a bandaid to an arterial bleed.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

Yup...Shot a rotten stump on a camping trip with my sons with a 357 magnum. I didn't know there was a hornets nest in that ol' stump...Blew the hell out of that ol' stump. Sure was glad there was a stream within feet deep enough for the 5 of us.

The boys sure got the idea of just how destructive a handgun can be...There was nothing left of that hive or the stump. Except splinters.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

I have to agree with everything said above...especially what both Bushy and Pete said...educate the kids, let them see the effects of a bullet, teach them to respect firearms and the power they have (even the humble .22 rimfire), also to respect the instructions as to when they are allowed to handle a firearm.

Like Mac, I always kept a fully charged jetloader beside my revolver in the safe...worked for me.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

My gun laid on the table next to me when I got home. It was loaded with a full cylinder. As soon as my kids showed interest they were taught that they could handle the gun any time they wanted to - all they had to do was ask. Ask they did! I taught them that the first thing to do was clear the gun. They weren't big enough to cock the hammer back or pull the trigger double action but they could clear that gun! We would go through and check the gun to be sure it was cleared each time we passed it to one another. I would cock the hammer back and let them pull the trigger - making sure it was pointed in a safe direction the whole time. By the time they were 5 they were going to the range with me and even shooting a bit. I taught them how to clear the 22 rifle too and they were extremely good with it - although my daughter struggled a bit. When they started shooting the 22 pistil they were getting good enough that I knew I needed to keep up on my shooting. My daughter did better with the pistol than she did with the rifle!

I was at a gun show with my son last year and I watched him clear the gun after it was handed to him. Teach them young and they always remember.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Smart gun or dumb gun Reply with quote

The unfortunate part about it is that on occasion it isn't your kids that do the wrong thing with a firearm, or pick up a firearm they have 'found'...it is their friends.

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