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Hornady Lever Evolution ...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:19 pm    Post subject: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

So I was playing with the box of ammunition, shaking a round and realized it's not making any noise in 30-30.

Has anyone pulled one apart and verified that they are using a compressed load for this round? Or does their reloading book say it's a compressed round for their bullet and primer?

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Good question mate. I haven't tried them yet, but I was thinking about getting some. Fortunately I believe they are selling the projectiles as a reloading component now so I can use my usual load, or thereabouts.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

the hornady site/load data site
has the data for those loads listed
they group higher than other loads so seem to be hotter.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:42 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

quick search...Chuck Hawks pullled one 35.1 grns of a ball powder looked to be a duplex type...now I know I ve seen the data must be with the powder you can now get for that load.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

I believe the powder is the LeverEvolution powder sold by Hodgdon. From their site.

"Hodgdon® Powder Company and Hornady® Manufacturing have teamed together to answer the frequently asked reloading question; "Can I buy the powder used in Hornady LEVERevolution factory ammunition?" Yes, this is the same spherical propellant used in Hornady's innovative and award winning high performance factory ammunition."

Loading data is on the Hodgdon site.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Some observations:

1. Why would it matter if commercial ammo used a compressed load?

2. Depending on the recoil characterists of the gun, bullets hitting higher can mean higher or lower velocity. In handguns, it pretty much always means lower velocity.

3. I just love the oft used term "award winning." What I would like to know is who gave the award and what was it for? It seems anyone and everything can be award winning. Even I am award winning.

4. I have tried Leverevolution powder and at least in the cartridges I've tried it in, it didn't work as well as some other powders.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Actually the Leverevolution powder is not what hornady's original recipe called for. Originally it was loaded with H4895. Load these for my model 94 and I got the recipe straight from hornady. Leverevolution powder wasn't even available for use until sometime after that. I just wonder if they took the H4895 and put leverevolution on the label to market it for lever action shooters lol.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

tlo7mm wrote:
I just wonder if they took the H4895 and put leverevolution on the label to market it for lever action shooters lol.

The powders look different so I don't think they did that.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Grumulkin wrote:
1. Why would it matter if commercial ammo used a compressed load?

It doesn't, just the first time I shook a round of ammunition and the powder wasn't making any noise leading me to think it's a compressed loading.

Curiosity and all.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

MacD wrote:
I believe the powder is the LeverEvolution powder sold by Hodgdon. From their site.

"Hodgdon® Powder Company and Hornady® Manufacturing have teamed together to answer the frequently asked reloading question; "Can I buy the powder used in Hornady LEVERevolution factory ammunition?" Yes, this is the same spherical propellant used in Hornady's innovative and award winning high performance factory ammunition."

Loading data is on the Hodgdon site.
yip thats the stuff
Its great where it works so is the other one they brought out at same time
superpreformance????

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Yeah, the biggest problem is that the powders are so specific they are only good in a limited number of cartridges. Both Superformance and Leverevolution are niche powders with little versatility. I also wonder why the pressures are higher with them than the other powders. I wounder what would happen if you pushed the pressures up with the other powders if there would be any advantage.
I've always like Hodgdon powders but these two seem like more hype than substance.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Personally I like Varget (AR2208) for the 30.30, although there are other powders that are suitable depending on your intended use. I used AR2207 (H4198) in my 10" TC Contender with 150gr bullets for great results (would regularly shoot 32 - 35 targets shooting in IHMSA). H4895 (AR2206H) is also a pretty reasonable powder to use in the 30.30 but I will stick to my Varget loads (approximately .5gr below maximum)...pleasant to shoot and accurate to boot.

I see no reason why any of the above three powders would not be suitable for the 30.30 depending upon what you are looking for from the load.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:15 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

Surprised Vince -where did you get those cross reference numbers for hodgdens to ar**** powders?Is their a webpage?I'd like to see it if so! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

TRBLSHTR wrote:
:o Vince -where did you get those cross reference numbers for hodgdens to ar**** powders?Is their a webpage?I'd like to see it if so! Very Happy
have a gander at the "Im all confusticated" thread I started here earlier in reloading.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Hornady Lever Evolution ... Reply with quote

TRBLSHTR wrote:
:o Vince -where did you get those cross reference numbers for hodgdens to ar**** powders?Is their a webpage?I'd like to see it if so! Very Happy

Cross reference here. Hodgdon Cross Reference

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