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Thompson Center Contender
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

its sound good to me

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Basicly, the Russians, bless their little hearts, measure the land diameter, we measure the diameter of the groove. Thus you have a .311-.312 at 7.62 and a .308 at 7.62 Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

I am a huge fan of Contender carbines and have a few of them. The 30-30 AI will compliment a collection that includes varmint, medium and big game with several inbetweens.
You'll have to let us know how you like the 30-30.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:51 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Thanks Swapfox for the info on the 7.62x39. That makes much better sense that the round appears to be "hot" because of an oversized bullet than just the powder load.

Strange that a bullet the size of a .303 British would be loaded and called 7.62 and our side would use a .308 and call it 7.62. Must have a throughback to 30-06 sizing.

Anyway, I plan to get the 30-30 G2 rifle barrel later this year. Gotta stock up first with LTS and then ammo preps.

skb2706 - look forward to hearing about your barrel's performance.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

I'm having a 30-30 AI barrel made up for my Contender...carbine length. With spitzer type bullets it will give up little to a same length .308 Win.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Ah Dballard,
The 30-30 in a contender is not even close to the same cartridge as the 30-30 in a 94 carbine. I campaigned a 10 inch 30-30 for about 20 years shooting steel. I bought a Merrill also in 30-30 for a standing gun. With a 10 inch you can exceed the 94's factory velocity by 200 fps and the 14 inch will get 400 fps faster numbers. With the rifle barrel you should be able to make the 30-30 walk and talk. Just put a good recoil pad on the gun, cause Mr Newton is still correct.....

By the by, on the 7.62x39 question, the issue is not really pressure, it is practice. Aparently TC does not consider running .311-.312 bullets down a .308 barrel to be good practice. Every barrel chambered for the 7.62x39 in the US is .308 not .312, including the Mini 30.

But in the TC there is no comparison between the 7.62x39 and the 30-30. The 30-30 is a far superior cartridge in a single shot configuration.

If you can find a copy, get the book Shooting Steel. There is an article about the 30-30 as used in a TC by JD Jones that is worth the price of admission.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

If it doesn't work out for you, it can be reamed to an AI round or the next size case. It should be a decent round and as accurate as any other.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Dballard, I think you "settled" for a pretty good choice! Please keep us posted on how it shoots.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Thanks for the info. I have done some more searching and have seen similar posts on other forums about the russian ammo. I think this maybe due to the fact that this small cartridge must operate a gas system and that the russians are loading them hot.

However, wouldn't that also be true for 5.56 NATO rounds?

Anyway, I am settling on a 30-30 23" G2 rifle barrel. Prices for the barrels are around $235, some high, some low. 30-30 has always been a good round and can be handloaded with spire instead of flat nose for the contender. That will improve the performance.

Thanks for the help,
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

It must be something other than pressure or back-thrust issues because it has the same diameter at the base as the 357 maximum and uses the same pressure. Maybe it has to do with the steel cases - they may not seal as easily.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

dballard wrote:
I have an original contender in .223 with 16" bull barrel and 4x50 scope and shoulder stock. Very nice. I am considering a 7.62x39 (lots of ammo out there) and have looked at Bullberry barrels. Pretty pricey.

I guess my question is along the same lines as some others. Since the old contenders are no longer manufactured, will a G2 barrel and some adjustments work for the older frames?

If so, how does this affect the ability to swap between the 2 barrels, old style and new G2? Is this a fiels can do or do I make the adjustments in my shop and go out to shoot?

I hope I am not rehashing something already laid to rest. I just don't think that a flat yea or nea was really laid down on this issue.

BTW - Does anyone have a 7.62x39 16" barrel for sale that will work with the old frames?

Thanks,
Dave in Iowa

TC Arms will tell you they will interchange, so will I. As I said I have every generation of TC that was made and barrels that date back to the early seventies and as new as last year. With only a very simple part change all are interchangable.

Unless you find a custom job barrel the 7.62x39 was never a factory offering from TC in a Contender. Oddly (I have no idea why) they suggest prssure limit problems...I suspect it has more to do with the cheap foriegn made ammo.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Welcome to HuntingNut oldwest. Grab a beermate, pull up a stump and sit awhile.

Has anybody thought of contacting TC Arms and asking their advice? Seeing as how they are the manufacturers I feel pretty certain that they would have the definitive answer.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

I have an original contender in .223 with 16" bull barrel and 4x50 scope and shoulder stock. Very nice. I am considering a 7.62x39 (lots of ammo out there) and have looked at Bullberry barrels. Pretty pricey.

I guess my question is along the same lines as some others. Since the old contenders are no longer manufactured, will a G2 barrel and some adjustments work for the older frames?

If so, how does this affect the ability to swap between the 2 barrels, old style and new G2? Is this a fiels can do or do I make the adjustments in my shop and go out to shoot?

I hope I am not rehashing something already laid to rest. I just don't think that a flat yea or nea was really laid down on this issue.

BTW - Does anyone have a 7.62x39 16" barrel for sale that will work with the old frames?

Thanks,
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

My only comments to add would be that I have owned every generation of Contender since the mid seventies. I have barrels dating back that far and I have barrels I bought as recently as six months ago. With little more than an allen wrench I can interchange them from a G2 frame to a Contender frame and back. I do it all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Thompson Center Contender Reply with quote

Oldwest, I've been looking at Contenders too and my solution at this point is to just buy new "G2" stuff and not worry too much about the older barrels. I think, after talking to a T/C guy at a recent gun show, that the G2 frame can use the older barrels but the older frame can't use the new barrels without a modification.

This might help www.bullberry.com/TCbarrels.html

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