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stovepipe Super Member
Joined: Sep 25, 2008 Posts: 4877 Location: Pine, Az.
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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Ya can't heat a home or business w/ sunlight....when it aint gettin' through 3' of ice and snow.
Yep- no lobbying there....
dailycaller.com/2011/0...ama-admin/
Epic FAIL.
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Suzanne Super Member
Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 3323 Location: Eugene, Oregon
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:01 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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Excess supply and price erosion DUH! Portland Or. whatdya expect. Not a lot of ice and snow but cloudy and rainy beyond what would be solar country. I questioned a guy selling solar water heaters at the fair and he said it's a pretty poor market here but he does get some buyers. Takes 30yrs+ for it to pay for itself, meantime you get a tiny tax break. So what! They ought to give em away in Arizona and New Mexico and Texas and Florida and other sunny states just to get things going, if they're so intent on doing it at all. Then they at least show progress. $535 million start-up loan.....good Lord...file bankruptcy....tax payers choke again.
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English Mike Super Member
Joined: Jan 08, 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Whitehaven, Cumbria, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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So just less than $500,000 per employee is a sound investment in jobs?
I guess socialists must use a different version of mathematics to the one I'm used to...
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Elvis Super Member
Joined: Jul 27, 2008 Posts: 9232 Location: south island New Zealand
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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yip thats a pity they went bust. politics aside solar has alot going for it. 3' of ice and snow wont stop a 4'panel mounted verticaly from contributing something! if solar was compulsery on EVERY new building our power crisis would be less to use it for water heating alone saves a packet as here in NZ water is 50% or more of montly power use.lets hope the recievers sell company on to someone with enough brains/business sence to make it work.
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44marty Super Member
Joined: Mar 20, 2009 Posts: 775 Location: Cheshire, MA; USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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The NEW MATH - Pittsfield, the town next door to mine, is spending $10 million on a solar panel project that is estimated to save the town $2 million in electric power over the next 20 years.
The OLD math would say that this project will break even after 100 years. Those are some long-lasting solar panels.
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Bushmaster Super Member
Joined: Jun 12, 2005 Posts: 11386 Location: Ava, Missouri
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Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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The eco-freaks want us to clean up the air and protect senic areas, but are willing to polute the landscape with solar panels and windmills They want to plaster the Mojave Desert with solar panels. Now that will be a senic sight.
Solar panels and windmills combined will not satisfy our needs for electricity. Sorry eco-freaks...You lose again.
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stovepipe Super Member
Joined: Sep 25, 2008 Posts: 4877 Location: Pine, Az.
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:02 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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Keeps getting better and better.....
dailycaller.com/2011/0...rn+worsens
What really blows my mind is how tightly Obammy is tied at the ankle to these snakes and how loudly he was tooting the solar horn and now?
*crickets chirping*
This in itself is enough to get this tard impeached. How do you sweep a .5 billion $ scam under the rug?
With a really big broom!
STUPID LIBERALS.
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Bushmaster Super Member
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stovepipe Super Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:21 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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Right! And they were bad guys for doing it and the left still aint done broiling and blaming over it!
STUPID LIBERALS.
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Ominivision1 Super Member
Joined: Sep 20, 2010 Posts: 2984 Location: Iowa
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:03 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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And Ominivision1...Just how much power are they generating from that farm? Enough to power..............What?
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Ominivision1 Super Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:15 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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Bushy
After they finish it, the farm will generate 310.5 megawatts of power, which is enough to power over 100,000 homes. It is owned by a subsidiary of Mid-American Energy. Heres a link.
newfarm.rodaleinstitut...wind.shtml
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Bushmaster Super Member
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:22 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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If the wind is blowing....
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stovepipe Super Member
Joined: Sep 25, 2008 Posts: 4877 Location: Pine, Az.
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:24 am Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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They got litterally hundreds all over the pam desert vallet and hills in the inland empire out here...either the wind aint blowing or they are down for repairs. They make jack for power too! Useless! Looks like crap too! And ya cant live near any of them. More land used up for stupid stuff!
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Dimitri Super Member
Joined: Nov 25, 2005 Posts: 5943
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: More green balogna w/o bread..... |
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Ominivision1 wrote: |
After they finish it, the farm will generate 310.5 megawatts of power, which is enough to power over 100,000 homes. |
That is plate capacity, ie what is on the plate of the generator assuming maximum safe operating temperature wind speeds etc.
In reality, just about every wind farm, be it in North America, Europe or Asia, has never produced above 5-10% of that number in any study they've come up with.
They stopped putting them up near my mothers area, cause they realized there was no way the project was going to ever produce enough energy to pay for itself after the first few were running. Till the Liberals here decided to start throwing millions of dollars their way to appear like they are "pro-Green".
Green power here, gets between 44 cents per kWh, up to 80 cents, if your putting it back on the grid, which is what the Governments Electrical Co will pay you for, but the market price for electricity is 4-5 cents, so its heavily subsidized, plus many larger operations have been hinted at getting over that amount for their "green" incentives.
Dimitri
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