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re; Reducing Recoil while handloading
Discussion regarding the reloading of ammunition and tuning of loads for accuracy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:15 pm    Post subject: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

This past weekend I went out and shot my new 300WBYMAG, with Remington 180 grn corelokt at 200 yrds and was holding 1 inch sized groups with 3 shots Cool . But after those three shots I would have to put THUNDER away Sad , cause I would start to flinch. Iam starting to reload, So what my ? is. Is it the powder charge that can lessn the recoil or is it the grn of the bullet? Or a combination of both? What do you guys suggest or or should I just use the lowest charge in my reloading manual??? Ohhh Yeah , I found a couple of sheds this past weekend here in WY nothing to big just a littil forkie and a average 4 point !!!!!!!! but they were still sheds
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Only question ... if you do not want to have so strong recoil ... why are you buying rifle for so strong ammo? ;o)
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Big rifle, big loads, big recoil.

Unfortunately, there is not a lot that you can do about it. It is all based on that saying that "For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". What this means is that as the powder ignites and propells the bullet down the barrel, it has to be pushing against something in the other direction. And what's the first thing that it's going to hit? That's right, You!

To lower the recoil, you can reduce the charge (the amount of propellant), use smaller bullets, change it for a smaller calibre or go to the gym. Alas, the first two options defeat the object of owning the gun in the first place.

The .300 Wetherby Magnum was designed to taking down game at really long ranges or for hunting dangerous animals like elephants or things with teeth. The calibre is designed to be shot at high velocity so your 180grain bullets at 3000fps will give a recoil of about 29 ft/lbs.
Compared to my .308's 12 ft/lbs of recoil energy it's like shooting 2 guns at once! In the same shoulder!

So if you're going to use it, take it out for the big days and do your target shooting/practise with a smaller gun.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Howdy Bubba. Put a muzzle brake on it. That will knock the recoil out of it and you can shoot what ever load you want and not hurt the ole shoulder Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Yep a brake will do the trick ..
Even tho Roy Weatherby did ele's with it .. Well me ?? No Thanks , couldnt nowadays anyways , least not legally ..
With a round like that you have to be careful when you're dabbling around the minimum powder charges , and you also want premium bullets if you're gonna shoot it to it's full potential ..
I guess my Q is , is what are you using it for ??
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:18 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Bubbahunts06...I was wondering...If you are having a hard time with the recoil of a .300 Weatherby Magnum. Why don't you go back to your .30-06? You had to know that a .300 magnum would kick s++t out of you. .30-06's ain't no whoosies rifle either...

And welcome to this site...They accomidate all... Cheers Very flexable...This group... Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Thanks guys, I am not scared of the gun in fact I think my 7mm wsm kicks more! My dad took out his old winchester 30-30 with the old metel butt plate on it, and it seemed to kick harder than my 300wby! The 300wby to me is not much more than shooting a bolt action 30-06 . I am not complaining about the recoil ,I just want to be able to shoot more rounds at once. But I have been tought to shoot 3 shot groups and let the gun cool and clean it , by the time Im done it takes about 15-20 min then I can go back to shooting the same groups. Ive done this with all of my rifles. And besides if it takes more than 1 or 2 shots to put down a animal, you dont need to be huntin!, But that is just my 2 cents ,and to me its not the gun, its the person behind it how well they know the gun and its ability. and how well the shot was placed. The ? about reducing loads a guy I work with told me I could do this, and since reloading is new to me I didnt know,I have a few rifles and pistols so reloading is a new hobby for me and the main thing about is shooting for alot less money and more accuracy! Hey Groovyjack do you have any more info on reloading the 300wby? and this is goin to be my main caliber for muledeer and elk, and im going to buy a over the counter blackbear this fall. the bullet im going to use are the Hornady SST 180GRN or Nosler partition 180grn what do you think?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Hhmmm...

In your first post you say that you are starting to flinch and then you say that you are not scared. Hhmmm... Flinching is an aversion to expected pain - that's all it is. I flinch on an air-rifle! Learnt behaviour? Never bothered me in the army when it was 7.62 NATO rounds.

If you are flinching then reducing the load is not going to make that much difference. Reducing the recoil by say 10% still leaves a whole lot of recoil so maybe a silencer of a muzzle break would do it. It's still a lot of oomph though.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Be VERY careful reducing loads in a 300 mag, any 300 mag. Hang fires can occur.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Can I suggest that if you wanted less recoil why didn't you get less gun........ My 45-70 with full power loads kicks like he!! and can and will bruise you, but I didn't buy a 30-30 so I don't expect the recoil of a 30-30. I figure if you want a bazooka expect it to kick like a bazooka not a .22. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Maybe I should have stated that I do this with all of my rifles, now that I think about it. A guy I work with told me to reduce my loads for lower recoil, and I dont plan to do so. RELOADING IS NEW TO ME!! So I dont know to much about it , that is why I asked. I wanted other shooters advise about it . This isnt my first magnum, I know how they kick I shoot a 338 UM , 375 HH, and 7MMWSM. Needless to say but, I flinch with all of them even my 30-06 after three rnds. So maybe it is just me! I guess Ill just stay with my three shot groups.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Bubbahunts,
As Daveyboy stated, flinching is a learned behavior. Next time you are at the range, try some brathing excersizes, and mentally prepare yourself for the recoil of the fire arms. Somedays I have flinching problems even when shooting my 10/22. I cannot explain it, as most days I can shoot any one of my guns, from 300 RUM, 300 Win, 257 Wtby, on down with out any problems flinching. But when I notice myself starting to flinch, I can usually take a few deep breaths, mentally prepare for the shot and recoil, and after a few groups, I am back with it.

As far as reducing the loads, I would not recommend going below the minimum loads published in any reloading manual.

Hope this helps, and welcome aboard.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

One way to help end a flinch is to slowly pull the trigger until it suprises you when it lets off. You have to commit yourself to the fact that it is going to recoil and that it won't hurt forever. You might also try a shoulder pad or a folded towel as I do for both of my rifles. I usually go through at least 20 rounds of .30-30 and 20 rounds of .30-06 every time I go to the range. I hate partial boxes left over at the end of the day...My shoulder is none the worst for wear even by the next morning...

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Thanks guys for the info, Ill give it a try this weekend. What a way to spend the weekend, breaking in the new gun. and hoping to find some decent sheds.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: re; Reducing Recoil while handloading Reply with quote

Why, might I ask, are we lookin' for last years sheds???

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